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    Hi All
    I thought the last thread was getting along very well, however it got to long, the input was good however newcomers to the thread did not look at earlier post's
    Even though a number of us have approached the subject in other post's it may be worthwhile to revisit the issue here as at least it will be in one thread
    See if I can pick the thread up into the economics of Canola for producing oil to turn into biodiesel
    Here we go:
    Firstly the production of Soy beans on a global basis is over 430 Million tonne
    The production of Canola seed is about 43 Million tonne
    Straight away one can see why biodiesel in the USA is favouring the use of soy oil as well as Rapeseed oil as it is known there
    Australia been what it is a dry continent has an average canola seed production of 2.2 Million tonne averaged over good and not so good years
    So let's do a bit of an analysis
    We use for our food as well as other purposes, prior to biodiesel becoming what it is today about .5 a Million Tonne
    The balance is exported either with yearly contracts or on the spot market
    So at best we can have about 1.5 Million tonne available here for biodiesel production if we keep the lot
    Assuming that it is extracted with the solvent process we will have about 697 K tonne of oil available to produce about the same amount of biodiesel or about 700 Million litres
    Let's have a look at another scenario:
    I have said in a prior post, the future for biodiesel use as well as it's best start for the long term is For farmers that can grow about 120 Ha of Canola on their land
    This how I see it happening
    Cost of land preparation planting harvesting etc is about $370 per Ha
    Yield of Canola seed average eastern states is 1.8 Tonne per Ha
    Assuming a price of $400 per tonne the farmer gets about $360 nett after storage and handling charges yielding about $648 per ha
    Less the $360 cost that leaves a gross income of $278 per ha
    If he processes the seed on the farm to get the oil out of it, an achievable extraction of 35% of oil is assured with reasonable equipment
    This then yields 630 KG of oil that can with good conversion into biodiesel will give him about 550 litres of fuel
    The equation then becomes quite simple, 550 Litres of fuel is worth about $835 to the farmer today as against $ 278 gross by selling the seed
    He is also left with about 1150 KG of canola meal that he can sell if he has no stock on his farm
    Regardless of various post's previously on prices for canola meal, the going rate is an average between 23 to 29 cents a Kg,
    So if we are to average out at say 26 cents per KG He has a further $300 for the meal
    He will certainly get a better return by feeding it out to his stock
    People that buy canola meal to feed animals do turn a profit
    One can play around with numbers till the cows come home, the fact remains;
    The farmer needs fuel to run his operation
    He has to buy at $1.52 per litre (Yesterday at Mildura) delivered
    A simple calculation cannot fail to point out the simple fact that Dino diesel has to be about $.55 for the above scenario to become inoperative
    something that I do not see happening
    This will have to be a very good return per Ha, on a dollar for dollar basis
    He can become independent of fuel purchases if his land is capable of giving him a crop of canola
    His cost's are further lowered, he does not have to borrow the money to pay for the fuel, which is cut off if it goes past 14 Days from delivery
    Further he will lower his cost of production as he is getting fuel at a lower cost than using dino fuel
    If he keeps the meal to feed animals with, he will then improve his land by using the manure on it which gives him a lower cost of fertiliser input
    He will be running a closed farming system, nothing leaves the farm
    If he recovers his Methanol as he should, his cost of catalyst will be minimal getting the lowest cost for the production of biodiesel on his farm
    The glycerin can be added back to the meal and fed to ruminants as it is very good feed for them
    Yes I know I have not taken into account Capital cost's, Depreciation, Manufacturing costs, his time as well as the land, cost of chemical etc
    I am more than happy to do a full business case on the above
    He becomes independent of dino fuel as well as the clutches of fuel distributors, gets the best value out of his land, while preserving hard earned cash
    The point surely must be obvious:
    Cheers
    Chris
    Cheers
    Chris
    Never give up :)

  • #2
    Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

    Sounds good, and that's the way it should be.

    Then the Government steps in and stuffs it up.

    The Farmer can claim a rebate on the the 38c excise paid on the dinodiesel, but unless he pays to have his Biodiesel batches tested to enable him to claim the manufacturers grant,he will have to PAY the 38c excise to the Gov't, and the excise on BD cannot be claimed as a rebate for agricultural use! The Farmer is over 76cpl worse off if he goes to the trouble of making his own fuel!

    Quote: "Alternative fuels, including biodiesel, will not be eligible for a fuel tax credit until 1 July 2011.
    However, alternative fuels including biodiesel will continue to be eligible for a fuel grant under EGCS for fuel purchased before 1 July 2010, providing EGCS eligibility criteria are met.
    Eligibility for Energy Grants Credit
    the activity must be road transport (that is, vehicles must be registered for use on a public road)
    There is no entitlement for a fuel grant for unblended biodiesel used off road"
    Mazda's Secret Service motto: "Tell 'em nothing, charge 'em double".

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    • #3
      Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

      If the farmer is making bio from canola oil can he just do one proper test on his fuel rather than on every batch, as the oil is identical all the time and the reaction will be exactly the same.

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      • #4
        Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

        Originally posted by farmer puddles
        If the farmer is making bio from canola oil can he just do one proper test on his fuel rather than on every batch, as the oil is identical all the time and the reaction will be exactly the same.
        The farmer doesn't even have to test his BD if he doesn't want to.

        If he wants to get involved with Gov and the Excise rebate then every batch will need to be tested to prove that it is up to standard.

        Really uncool, all they have done is push the homebrewer underground. I would not be supprised that there may be many brewers that lurk around here finding out info but don't post for the fear that they may get found out and a visit from the ATO
        Dave

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        • #5
          Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

          Hi All
          Regarding farmers excise and all that
          How about this,
          1.Farmer registers himself as a biodiesel producer, Le'ts call it BioPro A,
          2.He registers his Farming enterprise as well, Let's call it Agri buis B,
          3.He Buys the canola form B and produces Biodiesel He sells to A,
          4.He pays the excise But he nominates company B to receive the rebate
          Neutral, apart from Gst which has to be paid as normal

          Another point,
          How is it that excise has to be paid for anything that it is not defined at law
          What if it does not meet the required standard?
          I would have thought that the law cannot apply
          If this was the case Steam as well as SVO would fall under the net
          From My reading, the excise on transport fuels, applies to fuels after they meet certain criteria, than they are to be excised
          So, How about that from now on We do not make Biodiesel, instead we make FAME or we Transesterify Triglycerides
          Let's call us, T of T makers, other name suggestions are welcome
          What a bloody joke, these Canberra clowns ought to be ...........
          All the Same keep in mind that;
          "For every action there is an equal and opposite Government Program"
          Cheers
          Chris
          Cheers
          Chris
          Never give up :)

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          • #6
            Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

            Originally posted by Chris
            Hi All
            Regarding farmers excise and all that
            SNIP
            Another point,
            How is it that excise has to be paid for anything that it is not defined at law
            What if it does not meet the required standard?
            I would have thought that the law cannot apply
            SNIP
            All the Same keep in mind that;
            "For every action there is an equal and opposite Government Program"
            Cheers
            Chris
            Chris, I believe that biodiesel has been defined as "where the oil has undercone a process of transesterification", for payment of excise, but for recieiving the grant, it requireds that the biodiesel meets the A.S.


            Originally posted by Chris
            This then yields 630 KG of oil that can with good conversion into biodiesel will give him about 550 litres of fuel
            The equation then becomes quite simple, 550 Litres of fuel is worth about $835 to the farmer today as against $ 278 gross by selling the seed
            I believe that both oil an biodiesel have an SG of around 0.9 Thus 630kg of oil would be 630/0.9=700 litres of oil (not 550). With a yield of around 0.9, (and the yield should be closer to 1.0) this would provide 630 litres of biodiesel fuel.

            This helps your argument and I am in support of your argument that farmers should do this to gain control of their fuel supplies. One thing to note however is that the price of methanol will rise due to the demand and possible profiteering.
            Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

            Current Vehicles in stable:
            '06 Musso Sports 4X4 Manual Crew Cab tray back.
            '04 Rexton 4X4 Automatic SUV
            '2014 Toyota Prius (on ULP) - Wife's car

            Previous Vehicles:
            '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup.
            '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
            '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Engine donor for W123 coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
            '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel
            '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
            '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
            '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab well body. [Head gasket blew!]
            '04 Rexton SUV 2.9L Turbodiesel same as Musso - Our Family car.
            '06 Musso sports Crew Cab Trayback - My hack (no air cond, no heater).

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            • #7
              Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

              Hi Tony
              Thanks for the correction on SG I missed it It makes it even better than
              Point
              The transesterification process that defines biodiesel must by default define soap manufacture as well then!
              May be we all became liquid soap manufacturers Would that work?
              I am being flippant
              Cheers
              Chris
              Cheers
              Chris
              Never give up :)

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              • #8
                Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                Originally posted by Tony From West Oz
                One thing to note however is that the price of methanol will rise due to the demand and possible profiteering.
                Tony
                Would you agree with this, on the assumption, given a reasonable Methanol recovery system, the use of Methanol should not be any more than 2% of the qty used per batch?
                In a 200 litre batch with 40 L of methanol the loss should be less then .5 of a Litre
                Purity of methanol after recovery does not suffer, it can be used in the next batch
                This is common practice in commercial production of biodiesel
                My information tells me this loss is mostly caused from evaporated fuel as well as leaked Methanol rather then remaining in the biodiesel
                So in essence the cost of methanol would at best be a very small cost component of the whole excersise
                Cheers
                Chris
                Cheers
                Chris
                Never give up :)

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                • #9
                  Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                  Chris,
                  On average, the correct amount of methanol by volume is around 11%, so using 22% would allow you to recover a maximum of 11 litres, from biodiesel and byproduct, per 100 litre batch of oil.

                  This will minimise wastage of methanol, but any price rise will still impact on the fuel cost. But, who says that you need to run the machinery on biodiesel? Most diesels are very happy on straight vegetable oil.
                  Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

                  Current Vehicles in stable:
                  '06 Musso Sports 4X4 Manual Crew Cab tray back.
                  '04 Rexton 4X4 Automatic SUV
                  '2014 Toyota Prius (on ULP) - Wife's car

                  Previous Vehicles:
                  '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup.
                  '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
                  '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Engine donor for W123 coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
                  '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel
                  '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
                  '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
                  '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab well body. [Head gasket blew!]
                  '04 Rexton SUV 2.9L Turbodiesel same as Musso - Our Family car.
                  '06 Musso sports Crew Cab Trayback - My hack (no air cond, no heater).

                  Searching the Biofuels Forum using Google
                  Adding images and/or documents to your posts

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                  • #10
                    Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                    Originally posted by Tony From West Oz
                    But, who says that you need to run the machinery on biodiesel? Most diesels are very happy on straight vegetable oil.
                    A fairly dangerous statement to make?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                      Originally posted by Truckdriver
                      A fairly dangerous statement to make?
                      Only if you spill it and don't clean it up Seriously though, Tony is right. MOST diesels CAN be run on SVO with a few modifications.

                      Some will just need good heating equipment and design, but others may need different injectors etc. Lots of good info is emerging on a wide range of vehicles nowadays.
                      Cheers
                      Bruce


                      1976 W123 300D (3 litre 5-cyl NA diesel running on SVO since June 2006)
                      1982 W126 280SE (Sadly is For Sale)
                      1993 W124 300D (3 litre 6-cyl NA diesel - being converted to SVO)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                        Intresting info I just stumbled across that is on a Gov website.

                        Some of you more knowladgble people round here might have some time and give it a read and let the rest of us know what your opions of the information contained in it like. Informative or garbage

                        http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transpo.../pubs/2ch4.pdf
                        Dave

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                        • #13
                          Re: Canola Oil For Biodiesel Production

                          It is just amazing what you find when you search around.

                          The bold section is what got me nearly falling off my chair. Finally!

                          http://atant.asn.au/bulletins/20060604.html
                          The Race To Find Alternative Fuels

                          Truck makers and engineering entrepreneurs alike are racing to build new engines that operate on a variety of non-petroleum-based fuels rarely used in the worldwide heavy commercial vehicle market. Sweden-based Scania, is making its current heavy truck engines operate on 100% rapeseed methyl ester or RME. After completing long-term tests, Scania said it can now guarantee operating reliability on 100% RME for all its trucks with engines featuring unit injectors. That means most Scania trucks built during the past eight years—some 300,000 vehicles—can use this fuel. RME is a fuel with diesel-like properties made from rapeseed oil and can be used in Scania's diesel engines without any modifications at all, said Jonas Hofstedt, the company’s engine development manager. “Compared with diesel, rapeseed fuel has a somewhat lower energy content, which in turn means slightly higher fuel consumption and lower engine power output,” he said. “Also, our own field and laboratory tests show that RME has somewhat higher emissions of nitrogen oxides (NOx), while emissions of carbon monoxide and soot particles are lower than for diesel.” In the United States, Deland, FL-based Turbine Truck Engines (TTE) is wrapping up design work on a 540 hp detonation cycle gas turbine engine (DCGT) for Class 8 highway trucks in the U.S. that runs on E85 – a blended fuel comprised of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. The company noted it’s in negotiations to secure a $10 million dollar equity line of credit to sponsor further development and production of this engine design. TTE’s DCGT engine is based on the engineering work of Robert Scragg, who developed and invented the electromagnetic isothermal combustion (EIC) process by using the “pulse detonation” of fuel-oxidizer or air mixtures: allowing heavy-duty engines to operate on any type of fuel, be it gasoline, diesel, propane, natural gas, ethanol, or hydrogen. Yet despite these rapid advances, these experts realise significant challenges remain to replacing diesel with other fuels–especially ones based on organic sources. “The biggest obstacle for RME appears to be that rapeseed cultivation capacity is insufficient to cover the transport industry's considerable needs,” noted Scania’s Hofstedt. “Calculations show that using all land available for rapeseed cultivation within the European Union would result in fuel production to meet no more than 10-15% of the demand for commercial vehicle fuel requirements. A standard blend of 5% RME in diesel fuel is the most viable prospect today from the environmental and economic viewpoints.”Source: http://fleetowner.com/
                          Dave

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