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Old 23rd July 2008, 05:38 PM
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Re: common rail and biodiesel

I have a 2000 common rail Mercedes 108 Vito been on B100 for 2 years and 38000km no problems.

I was talking to a guy when out collecting oil, he had a common rail Mercedes, which had been stuffed by a dodgy batch of stinky diesel. So from my observations it would seem it is the quality of the fuel used and it is irrelevant whether it B100, B50, B20 or stinky.


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I was speaking to a mechanic yesterday who makes his own biodiesel from WVO and who works in a Japanese dealership. He tols me that European common rail motors will run fine as they are designerd for the bio available in Europe, but Japanese common rail motors won't due to different metallurgy in the pumps.
At first blush this sounds good, especially to someone dreaming of a Golf TDI GT Sport. But on reflection it raises more questions than it answers, eg what about Japanese diesels sold in Europe, eg Accord Euro, Mazda 3 & 6 etc? The Mazda engine particularly is supposedly the same as the Focus & Mondeo TDCi unit, and is possibly sourced from Peugeot... So these engines should be Bio-compatible?

And thinking again of the VW twin-cam diesel, it doesn't actually use a common rail. IIRC each injector has its own pump driven off the inlet camshaft. Any idea how it would go with Bio?
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Re: common rail and biodiesel

It will run dependent on two things, material compatibility and then timing.
The former will get you eventually but the VW is fine as far as I know. Peugeot may not be and I would be careful, Mercedes should be ok but not enough of these sort of owners are popping in or I have not read about them.

Timing is more subtle, the computer may retune itself or not, this is more of a black art, and you will need someone with the software necessary to do it to get the absolute best out of it.

Overall try it, and see what your experience is, it will nto blow up and make sure the fuel is well made.

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At first blush this sounds good, especially to someone dreaming of a Golf TDI GT Sport. But on reflection it raises more questions than it answers, eg what about Japanese diesels sold in Europe, eg Accord Euro, Mazda 3 & 6 etc? The Mazda engine particularly is supposedly the same as the Focus & Mondeo TDCi unit, and is possibly sourced from Peugeot... So these engines should be Bio-compatible?

And thinking again of the VW twin-cam diesel, it doesn't actually use a common rail. IIRC each injector has its own pump driven off the inlet camshaft. Any idea how it would go with Bio?
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Re: common rail and biodiesel

I have a mate up here in Darwin who runs a new (8 month old) Mazda BT 50. We had no idea about maybe having problems with B100 and a common rail motor, so we have been sticking the stuff I make in his car as fast as it can drink it, at least 8000ks worth.

There was a period where it didnt run real quick (max 60ks) but now after doing nothing but pushing the accelerator as hard as possible, it has come good.

It is a great truck, the intercooled turbo shoves it along pretty quick, so I dont think there is a problem with bio diesel in it.

So us that are not in the know have tested and found there isnt a problem. Too much thinking may make take the fun out of it all hey? Naivety

No need for second tanks here or heaters etc though but I will be seeing how bio goes out in Kakadu, where it gets a bit chilly at night
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At first blush this sounds good, especially to someone dreaming of a Golf TDI GT Sport. But on reflection it raises more questions than it answers, eg what about Japanese diesels sold in Europe, eg Accord Euro, Mazda 3 & 6 etc? The Mazda engine particularly is supposedly the same as the Focus & Mondeo TDCi unit, and is possibly sourced from Peugeot... So these engines should be Bio-compatible?

And thinking again of the VW twin-cam diesel, it doesn't actually use a common rail. IIRC each injector has its own pump driven off the inlet camshaft. Any idea how it would go with Bio?

I didn't think of that. Do they sell the Japanese dual cabs in Europe? Do they have the same diesel motor as the cars? If so, the mechanic I spoke to may be incorrect.
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Re: common rail and biodiesel

Not quite, Japanese common rail systems are generally manufactured under lincence from the European licence holder and please do not tell my Japanese diesel it cannot run on biodiesel as it has for several years. I think someone is having a lend of you.

Common rail diesels wil run on well made biodiesel. Watch out fro material compaibility though.

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My Landrover Series 2 td5 has done about 90,000kms on biodiesel. It has a common rail fuel management system. I do water wash my biodiesel throughly so that SG is about 0.84 (fossil is about 0.82). My vehicle runs really well.

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Geez you're a hard bloke to find. I was looking at getting a Freelander for the cheese & kisses, and looked everywhere for people running Td4 or Td5 engines. I must have missed yours because you wrote td5 instead of Td5, and didn't use the word "Discovery" or "Disco."

Anyway, it doesn't matter now - it turns out that biodiesel is the least of your worries if you own a Freelander - they're utter shite......

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Re: common rail and biodiesel

So will my 2003 turbo diesel common rail pajero run on home brewed biodiesel?
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Re: common rail and biodiesel

gday warren my ranger is commonrail 3litre diesel it seems to goes the same running on home made bio or dino brand new in august now has 8000 klms no leeks no weeps ford said i,m mad when i took it back for 3000k check up they told me my car smelt wrong there must be something in your fuel i said yeh vegetable juice of corse i was told the usual about warranty etc but who cares when you do the klms i do 2 cars over 100,000 klm per year thats aprox $16,000 in fuel if you had to buy dino diesel hence make my own for about $3000 to $4000 per year thats my story and it better for the enviroment as well
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