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Old 2nd September 2008, 05:57 AM
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Giving something back!

Hello

I thought that I would add a page to my website detailing my WVO process as a way of giving something back to the various communities and forums where I have acquired my information on how to make Biodiesel.

Now I know that there are folks out there with extremely professional setups who have thrown loads of money at their project and those still happy to make 20 lts at a time in a bucket, so there is something here for the "Garden Shed Brigade"

A huge thanks to all who have helped me run "Cleaner, Greener and a whole heap Cheaper!!" 19p pl versus £1.25 pl!!!



http://www.thethreecompasses.com/h2-...2?r=1221078105

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Hi there, the link doesn't work for me...
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The requested URL /b-h2-Run-Your-car-on-Old-Fryer-Oil-h2-b was not found on this server.
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Re: Giving something back!

Hi there, the link doesn't work for me...
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Re: Giving something back!

While your motives are obviously very well intended, the setup and method of manufacture you are showing is Highly dangerous and poses enormous health and saftey risks to anyone using a similar setup. The setup you are showing is really in many ways a perfect example of How NOT to make Biodiesel.

You appear to be doing your reaction in an open top drum with nothing more than a gauze filter screen over the top to prevent splashes. This would allow a lot of vapors into the small shed where you are working and create a significant hazard to your health from both breathing in the Meth vapors and from a buildup of vapors flashing over from a spark and creating a fire or explosion.

I would suggest you should review your processing setup with a view to operator safety as meth fumes are highly dangerous and could cause an explosion if left to build up in an enclosed area. It would also be resonsible to take your page down until you can re-do it in a fashion that would illustrate to begginners the proper precautions that need to be taken and showing safer equipment being used.

I also notice you are just pouring the methoxide into the reaction drum out of another drum and the chance of splashes is significant. Other than some small gloves, you do not seem to be wearing any appropriate saftey clothing nor anything that could stop the methoxide getting on your skin on your face and arms. Methoxide is highly dangerous and is said to destroy nerve endings and cause skin burns without the victim being aware of what has happened.
No doubt as you slosh the methoxide into your reaction drum, significant vapors would be given off and the likely splashes would end up on the floor which could lead to significant explosive vapor concerntration.

While your desire to " Give Back" is admirable, It would be wise to illustrate a safer and more responsible way of making Biodiesel and to add proper warnings of the dangers the chemicals pose to would be bio makers especially in the manner you are illustrating it's manufacture here.

While experienced people may know of these dangers, the target audience of your page would probably not and may cause themselves significant injury or damage and loss of property if they created a similar setup to what you are showing.
I'm sure you would agree that setting a good example as far as saftey goes is of paramount importance to all Biodiesel home brewers.

As for your link to the JF website, it is widely believed that particular site has more misinformation in it than anything of value. There are several methods and procedures depiceted there that are universally agreed are completely wrong and following them will almost gaurantee a failure to produce good biodiesel.
Perhaps you may like to investigate these claims and consider if you think linking to that particular site is in the best interests of the people you are kindly trying to assist or if there are not other sites that may offer better quality information.

Your pub looks fantastic! I would love to be able to visit it one day. It certainly appears to have a great atmosphere and the decor is very welcoming.
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While your motives are obviously very well intended, the setup and method of manufacture you are showing is Highly dangerous and poses enormous health and saftey risks to anyone using a similar setup. The setup you are showing is really in many ways a perfect example of How NOT to make Biodiesel.

You appear to be doing your reaction in an open top drum with nothing more than a gauze filter screen over the top to prevent splashes. This would allow a lot of vapors into the small shed where you are working and create a significant hazard to your health from both breathing in the Meth vapors and from a buildup of vapors flashing over from a spark and creating a fire or explosion.

I would suggest you should review your processing setup with a view to operator safety as meth fumes are highly dangerous and could cause an explosion if left to build up in an enclosed area. It would also be resonsible to take your page down until you can re-do it in a fashion that would illustrate to begginners the proper precautions that need to be taken and showing safer equipment being used.

I also notice you are just pouring the methoxide into the reaction drum out of another drum and the chance of splashes is significant. Other than some small gloves, you do not seem to be wearing any appropriate saftey clothing nor anything that could stop the methoxide getting on your skin on your face and arms. Methoxide is highly dangerous and is said to destroy nerve endings and cause skin burns without the victim being aware of what has happened.
No doubt as you slosh the methoxide into your reaction drum, significant vapors would be given off and the likely splashes would end up on the floor which could lead to significant explosive vapor concerntration.

While your desire to " Give Back" is admirable, It would be wise to illustrate a safer and more responsible way of making Biodiesel and to add proper warnings of the dangers the chemicals pose to would be bio makers especially in the manner you are illustrating it's manufacture here.

While experienced people may know of these dangers, the target audience of your page would probably not and may cause themselves significant injury or damage and loss of property if they created a similar setup to what you are showing.
I'm sure you would agree that setting a good example as far as saftey goes is of paramount importance to all Biodiesel home brewers.

As for your link to the JF website, it is widely believed that particular site has more misinformation in it than anything of value. There are several methods and procedures depiceted there that are universally agreed are completely wrong and following them will almost gaurantee a failure to produce good biodiesel.
Perhaps you may like to investigate these claims and consider if you think linking to that particular site is in the best interests of the people you are kindly trying to assist or if there are not other sites that may offer better quality information.

Your pub looks fantastic! I would love to be able to visit it one day. It certainly appears to have a great atmosphere and the decor is very welcoming.
Dave,

thanks for that. I have worked in Petroleum Refineries and Chemical Plants for 47 years as a Production Superintendent, Training Co-ordinator and Technical Writer.
Biodiesel Home Brew setups scare the living s..t out of me.
I worked for Methanex New Zealand for a few years, as a Production Planner and Shift Manager, making 5000 tonnes of Methanol/day. The safety precautions were very strict. As you said, Methanol and Sodium or Potassium Methoxide are very dangerous substances.

I am writing a book on Home Brewing Biodiesel at the moment and it points out some of the mistakes made by the back yard brewers.
Safety is one of my main priorities in this book.

Thanks to this site and others I have have learned a lot and I am grateful for the effort you guys put into Forums and Websites. I have joined many Forums on Biodiesel and always come back to this one.
The site you mentioned is a problem.
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Re: Giving something back!

Well Dave, the site obviously works for you but, as the others have said, it doesn't work for me.
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Re: Giving something back!

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Well Dave, the site obviously works for you but, as the others have said, it doesn't work for me.
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Hello

I thought that I would add a page to my website detailing my WVO process as a way of giving something back to the various communities and forums where I have acquired my information on how to make Biodiesel.

Now I know that there are folks out there with extremely professional setups who have thrown loads of money at their project and those still happy to make 20 lts at a time in a bucket, so there is something here for the "Garden Shed Brigade"

A huge thanks to all who have helped me run "Cleaner, Greener and a whole heap Cheaper!!" 19p pl versus £1.25 pl!!!

Run Your car on Old Fryer Oil!!

Others have had issues loading the page, so here is how I accessed the page:
Either enter the following URL

The Three Compasses

or click on this link to access BMW 330d 100% Bio's website.
When that page has loaded, scroll to the bottom and click on the biodiesel link on the bottom LHS of the page.
This will open his "Run Your car on Old Fryer Oil!!" page.

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Old 11th September 2008, 06:36 AM
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Re: Giving something back!

Bloody hell Dave!

That must of taken a while!

I would like to thankyou for your concern but this quote from my page...



Just one other thing make sure YOU are fully aware of what you are dealing with and that you take into consideration your own safety and the safety of others around you.
Methanol is a dangerous chemical so treat it with respect.
(yes I know that I should have a protective apron, gloves, goggles etc but after working as a Petrol Tanker Driver for many years, I have weighed up the threat and took action that I deemed acceptable to me. YOU must make up your own mind.)
And just one last thing........wear some old clothes that you really don't care about winging in the bin as old oil really is messy!



is where others can make up thier own mind.



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While your motives are obviously very well intended, the setup and method of manufacture you are showing is Highly dangerous and poses enormous health and saftey risks to anyone using a similar setup. The setup you are showing is really in many ways a perfect example of How NOT to make Biodiesel. (Thanks Dave)

You appear to be doing your reaction in an open top drum with nothing more than a gauze filter screen over the top to prevent splashes. This would allow a lot of vapors into the small shed where you are working and create a significant hazard to your health from both breathing in the Meth vapors and from a buildup of vapors flashing over from a spark and creating a fire or explosion.
(I am fully aware of the vapours and are nowhere near the shed during reaction, furthermore there is no risk of a spark from any of my equipment. )

I would suggest you should review your processing setup with a view to operator safety as meth fumes are highly dangerous and could cause an explosion if left to build up in an enclosed area. (Area not enclosed as the door is wide open!) It would also be resonsible to take your page down until you can re-do it in a fashion that would illustrate to begginners the proper precautions that need to be taken and showing safer equipment being used.

I also notice you are just pouring the methoxide into the reaction drum out of another drum and the chance of splashes is significant. (The risk from splashing is minimal when you are careful! But I do concede on the gloves and clothing) Other than some small gloves, you do not seem to be wearing any appropriate saftey clothing nor anything that could stop the methoxide getting on your skin on your face and arms. Methoxide is highly dangerous and is said to destroy nerve endings and cause skin burns without the victim being aware of what has happened.
No doubt as you slosh the methoxide into your reaction drum, significant vapors would be given off and the likely splashes would end up on the floor which could lead to significant explosive vapor concerntration.

While your desire to " Give Back" is admirable, It would be wise to illustrate a safer and more responsible way of making Biodiesel and to add proper warnings of the dangers the chemicals pose to would be bio makers especially in the manner you are illustrating it's manufacture here.

While experienced people may know of these dangers, the target audience of your page would probably not and may cause themselves significant injury or damage and loss of property if they created a similar setup to what you are showing.
I'm sure you would agree that setting a good example as far as saftey goes is of paramount importance to all Biodiesel home brewers.

As for your link to the JF website, it is widely believed that particular site has more misinformation in it than anything of value. There are several methods and procedures depiceted there that are universally agreed are completely wrong and following them will almost gaurantee a failure to produce good biodiesel.
Perhaps you may like to investigate these claims and consider if you think linking to that particular site is in the best interests of the people you are kindly trying to assist or if there are not other sites that may offer better quality information. (Link removed)

I have not put this page up to be agravating to other Bio dieselers around the globe but to show that I produce extremely good Biodiesel (even more so now that I have incorparated my eco2pure dry wash system) for very little outlay.


Your pub looks fantastic! I would love to be able to visit it one day. It certainly appears to have a great atmosphere and the decor is very welcoming.
You are most welcome to visit Dave.......

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Great Site .

Nice to have actual information from those who are making and running on it and their experiences, rather than the usual mis-informed chinese whispers and scaremongering!. Will be interested in following your findings in the long term, especially as your 330D has the DPF.

Looks like very high quality bio you are making there, crystal clear, and it shows others thinking of following the DIY route exactly how properly made fuel should be. I'll be adding your link to other forums whose members are hesitant about running bio in their own newer cars to prove that, yes, it can be done.

Do you add any additives to your bio?, or is it used 'as is'.
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Old 11th September 2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: Giving something back!

BMW,
I do not mean to disparage your efforts or motives in any way but I sincerely believe that your page illustrates dangerous and unwise Biodiesel making practices and would pose a significant risk to anyone copying your system, especially if they were not aware of the risks involved.

While you may take measures that help nullify the dangers your setup creates, others that are not aware of them may do things differently such as having their processing drum in a non ventilated area and not recognize the danger this small but significant difference this detail creates.

Copying your setup thinking it is OK to do so because of what they have seen on your page could lead people into highly dangerous situations and suffer injury or damage because of them. The real and significant dangers of Bio diesel making need to be stressed and understood by all whom are contemplating making it and there is no room for compromises in peoples safety..
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Old 12th September 2008, 07:32 AM
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Dave

Perhaps you should have visited my page to see that I had made changes re your concerns before that last post, but I would hope that people had a bit more common sense than you seem to give them credit for anyway.

I consider (along with plenty of others) that my page is more helpful than harmful and will be staying as is with updates on my cars progress.

Once again I thank you for your well placed concerns that I have included in my webpage as of yesterday evening.

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