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Old 6th July 2008, 06:52 PM
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Re: Hydrogen generator update

The only gas that could be called HHO gas is steam.

It is a pet peeve of mine, because the term HHO was coined by con artists trying to sell this idea for something that it was not. The more people use the term, the more likely it is for others to pick it up, and believe the lies that are all over the net about "browns gas" or "HHO generators" that can run your lawnmower off nothing but a teaspoon of water for 20 years...

What you are making is a mixture of two gases.

Oxygen gas (O2) and hydrogen gas (H2)
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HHO is also called Browns Gas.
It is the combined unburnt gases of 2 Hydrogen TO 1 Oxygen.. upon burning it becomes a minute amount of water..
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HHO is also called Browns Gas.
It is the combined unburnt gases of 2 Hydrogen TO 1 Oxygen.. upon burning it becomes a minute amount of water..
What people refer to as "brown's gas" is a mixture of two parts hydrogen gas and one part oxygen gas. I hope when you said "combined", you just meant that they were mixed together, because the oxygen and hydrogen molecules are certainly not joined in any way.
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You have it in one Troy.. but it is certainly not steam
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Re: Hydrogen generator update

Hi all
Now my thinking may be flawed, but..

"Energy in Energy out"
So why not try to generate hydrogen with "other" energy not the petrol engine? What I was thinking of was an alternator to hydrogen producer running off the drive line. A switch would activate the 30amp load on the (drive line) only on braking or deceleration. This would act as a weak brake, and produce hydrogen fuel with "real" surplus and "new" energy.
The momentum stored in the slowing car is transferred to heat in the brakes, this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be burned later.
Gravity could add to the energy. Think of a car free wheeling down a hill, gravity is helping to speed it up, again this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be be burned later.
Whilst I concede the volume of Hydrogen produced will be less than that direct of the engine, but would not the gas produced, be energy of net gain?

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Hi all
Now my thinking may be flawed, but..
"Energy in Energy out"
So why not try to generate hydrogen with "other" energy not the petrol engine? What I was thinking of was an alternator to hydrogen producer running off the drive line. A switch would activate the 30amp load on the (drive line) only on braking or deceleration. This would act as a weak brake, and produce hydrogen fuel with "real" surplus and "new" energy.
The momentum stored in the slowing car is transferred to heat in the brakes, this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be burned later.
Gravity could add to the energy. Think of a car free wheeling down a hill, gravity is helping to speed it up, again this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be be burned later.
Whilst I concede the volume of Hydrogen produced will be less than that direct of the engine, but would not the gas produced, be energy of net gain?

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David A - I'm not sure if that was an original thought, or if you read it somewhere, but it's inspired!

A setup like what is used in hybrid cars, with electric brakes, could be used to generate hydrogen. It's obviously not enough to run the car, but it could help save some fuel.

Nice one!


Pert - It's still not clear to me exactly what you are trying to say.
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Sorry.. was in reply to Troy who said HHO is just steam
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Re: Hydrogen generator update

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Hi all
Now my thinking may be flawed, but..
"Energy in Energy out"
So why not try to generate hydrogen with "other" energy not the petrol engine? What I was thinking of was an alternator to hydrogen producer running off the drive line. A switch would activate the 30amp load on the (drive line) only on braking or deceleration. This would act as a weak brake, and produce hydrogen fuel with "real" surplus and "new" energy.
The momentum stored in the slowing car is transferred to heat in the brakes, this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be burned later.
Gravity could add to the energy. Think of a car free wheeling down a hill, gravity is helping to speed it up, again this system would hijack a some of this energy to generate hydrogen fuel to be be burned later.
Whilst I concede the volume of Hydrogen produced will be less than that direct of the engine, but would not the gas produced, be energy of net gain?

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Great Idea.
will be even greater if you can figa out how to put all the generators and switches and hydragen makers on your car witch seems like a lot of friggin round for something that sounds like a lot of hog wash in the benafits you will end up with.
with all the extra wayt on the car it wood be lucky if you got any extra mileage in the end and how much wood all this cost?
you wood want a electronics thing to do the switching because I think you wood soon get tired of switching the thing back and forth you self.
instead of makin hydragen and doing double conversions to the energy why not just use a motor generator and put the power you make into a battery and use the genarator as a motor when you need the extra power.
a permanant magnet motor will genarate power as well be a motor but good luck finding the space to fit anything like this in the first place and then getting rego and insurance for the car with all this hangin off of it.
carnt possibly see how this wood be practical or worth it.
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Sorry.. was in reply to Troy who said HHO is just steam
HHO gas, is steam. What you produce from water via electrolysis, is not HHO, it is hydrogen gas, and oxygen gas. HHO is a misnomer.

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instead of makin hydragen and doing double conversions to the energy why not just use a motor generator and put the power you make into a battery and use the genarator as a motor when you need the extra power.
a permanant magnet motor will genarate power as well be a motor but good luck finding the space to fit anything like this in the first place and then getting rego and insurance for the car with all this hangin off of it.
carnt possibly see how this wood be practical or worth it.
You have just described a hybrid car...to an extent.
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