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1st October 2006, 03:09 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Hi Guys All of you on this Jatropha trip may be served well by doing a search on the post's of one of our members here by the name of Xavier You may save yourselves a lot of trouble as well as effort by going up a blind alley There is no way that AQUIS will allow importation of any seeds wether they are banned or not for general release unless extensive trials are undertaken in qurantine conditions supervised by them Give that about 5 if not ten years In the meantime you will have enough time to setup an economic as well as a succesfull method of harvesting the crop of seeds of this rather interesting plant Once you have done with the harvest problem then find yourselves a few Million bucks to set up a decortication plant as well as an oil extraction plant to turn the crop into oil Well after all of the above you can make biodiesel I can tell all of you right now we do not have sufficient oil processing capacity in this country so as to turn what we produce in canola seed per year into oil let alone a rather difficult crop such as Jatropha or any other oil seed come crop for that matter Fellows you are chasing a dream the hard realities are that Jatropha will be a contentious issue in all states Why dont you keep it simple by the time you go through all of the above you Macadamia trees will be in full production they have lot's of oil in them they are a native of this country and you dont have any issues with any one If you don't want to turn them into biodiesel you can eat them If you have sufficient natural water ie rainfall plant Avocadoes same thing these trees will produce a lifetime They have an advantage over chinese tallow trees they are edible Sorry to be a wet blanket they are the hard realities There is not much to stop a smuggler though is there? An Italian immigrant did smuggle the carp in this country in the early thirty's around Echuca way, near the Murray river He had them in his dam for years, no problems until we had a flood We all know the result of that as well as the rabbit the fox the toad as well as introductions of water plants for aquariums which now infest our water ways Any way you guys see it, in my considered view that this is an excersise in futility for the next 10 odd years at least Food for thought Not that I think you have any bad intentions fellows it is just the way it is
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1st October 2006, 09:41 PM
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 Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Chris, I was thinking more a small project to see how well it works. Remember I only have 5 acres. I agree that it couldn't be as simple as importing a variety of a noxious weed with a slightly different name, and probably rightly so, we've had enough stuff ups like that in this country. But the chinese tallow tree is not banned yet, and apparently gives a very high yield of two types. Supposedly a tallow type fat is boiled off the outside of the seed, then an oil is pressed from the seed. Do you know anything about this? Can both of these oils be used for biodiesel? How are the seeds harvested? I notice that birds eat (and spread) the seeds. Does that mean that the press cake can be fed to poultry? Of course I am interested with the options you mentioned. How does it go processing macadamias with their hard shell? Do you press the entire avocado, or only the seed? I did not see any multimillion dollar rigs on the sites about Jatropha, and they were refuelling their rail system (which I have travelled on) on fuel produced by small communities when possible. I've never struck any oil, no matter how bad, that I couldn't turn into really nice bio. The thought of doing it with fresh oil (and ethanol) that I produced myself is appealing, even if only for the personal satisfaction. My offer stands. If anyone who reckons they know a bit about it wants the use of 5 acres, and some technical help on the processing side, give me a call. Er...Never give up(?)  |
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1st October 2006, 09:55 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Quote:
Ok Chris I take your point but I would like to ask how is that even if AQIS have banned most of the Jatropha strains but specifficaly allow Jatropha SPP (what ever that may be) How is it that you can say they it is not possible in the short term to import Jatropha? Now let me get it straight I have no idea what the SPP strain is nor do I know if it is a % wise higher production crop than any of the other strains but it does clearly allow at this VERY moment the importation of the SPP strain as refered to in my previous post in this tread. This also does not mean that even though AQIS allow the importation that the State Gov has not banned it's cultivation as a noxious weed but it does go againts what you say about jatropha importation as a whole. Further to be noted to this though is that at this point it looks like all forms of Jatrooha have been decleared a weed and banned in all 3 tropical states which includes Qld. This on it's own would preclude the growth and harvesting of the plant in the australian tropics. This still does not however affect AQIS and what can and can't be imported.
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2nd October 2006, 01:03 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Hi Guys Look I have already said that you need to do a lot more work on this than meets the eye The ins and outs of the Jatropha trip have already been discused at length in this very forum There is no need to cover old ground However there are a couple of points raised that may warrant an answer If you do import the seed that is allowed by AQUIS than you may have to deal with the dept of enviroment use to be the department of Agriculture By the way if any state declares a plant as a weed the other states have to follow suit even though the plant is not declared in that state This is the case with Patersons curse between Vic and NSW It is not declared in vic however Around Mildura if you spot it and report it the department will eradicate it on public land If it is on private property they will force you to do the same I do not know enough about the SPP variety or that much about the other 1200 odd varities of Jatropha that exist Sauman will be able to throw light on that one Sure the biodiesel used in some Indian trains does come from Jatropha which is hand harvested by thousands of peasants for 50 cents a day We have a lot of them in this country who are happy to do that I am sure you know where to find them In China the crop is in essence cut above the trunk with modified harvesters which sets the growth back a while but they seem to feel that the setback as against hand harvesting the crop is justified due to cost Just to make sure I make myself clear I do not have an issue with plants to be grown so as to produce oil for edible or biodiesel use It is simply that this plant has been declared as a noxious weed in this country rightfully or wrongly I am not in a position to say Why on earth would anyone want to take on the authorities so as to convince them otherwise it is beyond me when there are so many other plants that can be grown without the hassles that this jatropha plant no doubt has We do not even know if the plant will perform here in this country as it does elsewhere Dont give up Eh! but dont be foolish either
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2nd October 2006, 01:19 PM
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__________________ Cheers Chris Never give up |
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6th October 2006, 05:14 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Hi all This list may be of some help for any one contemplating planting something on the land Just to make a point so I do not get "wacked" There numerous list's around from various sources They all vary in the output of say oil on a per ha or acre This is the end result of growing conditions as well as other factors such as water fertilisers etc The interesting thing here is the yields of oil from macadamia nuts as against the "famous" Jatropha Everyone seems to be taken with this plant for some reason that I have yet to figure out As I have said prior this tree is a native of Australia there are quite a number of varieties available for different areas of the country We know what it yields we know how to grow it we can eat the nuts as well as use the shells for fuel We also know how to harvest it and most importantly There are no restrictions in planting it To top it all off there are tax incentives if one is to plant trees as is done with almonds olives grapes etc (read Timbercorp) Adapted from Joshua Tickell, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel. 3rd Ed. 2000. PlantLatin NameGal Oil/ AcrePlantLatin NameGal Oil/ Acre Oil PalmElaeis guineensis610RiceOriza sativa L.85Macauba PalmAcrocomia aculeata461Buffalo GourdCucurbita foetidissima81PequiCaryocar brasiliense383SafflowerCarthamus tinctorius80Buriti PalmMauritia flexuosa335CrambeCrambe abyssinica72OiticiaLicania rigida307SesameSesamum indicum71CoconutCocos nucifera276CamelinaCamelina sativa60AvocadoPersea americana270MustardBrassica alba59Brazil NutBertholletia excelsa245CorianderCoriandrum sativum55Macadamia NutMacadamia terniflora230Pumpkin SeedCucurbita pepo55JatropaJatropha curcas194EuphorbiaEuphorbia lagascae54Babassu PalmOrbignya martiana188HazelnutCorylus avellana49JojobaSimmondsia chinensis186LinseedLinum usitatissimum49PecanCarya illinoensis183CoffeeCoffea arabica47BacuriPlatonia insignis146SoybeanGlycine max46Castor BeanRicinus communis145HempCannabis sativa37Gopher PlantEuphorbia lathyris137CottonGossypium hirsutum33PiassavaAttalea funifera136CalendulaCalendula officinalis31Olive TreeOlea europaea124KenafHibiscus cannabinus L.28RapeseedBrassica napus122Rubber SeedHevea brasiliensis26Opium PoppyPapaver somniferum119LupineLupinus albus24PeanutAriachis hypogaea109PalmErythea salvadorensis23CocoaTheobroma cacao105OatAvena sativa22SunflowerHelianthus annuus98Cashew NutAnacardium occidentale18Tung Oil TreeAleurites fordii96CornZea mays18 I sincerely hope that people who are willing to plant an oil producing crop in areas that Macadamia trees will grow would really see the benefits of this Our very own native that has evolved in this country for a few thousand years When I lived in Sydney we had a Macadamia tree out the back yard which never failed to produce a yearly crop of delicious nut's My kids and I used to go "Hunting" for nuts, as they do fall on the ground when ripe Hopefully this adds some weight to the benefits of sticking with something that is known rather than exploring unknown territory
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6th October 2006, 05:16 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Sorry guys the formating has gone hay wire I will give it another go It is hard to read as it is, although it seems everything is there
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6th October 2006, 05:20 PM
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| Re: land wanted to lease for new crop Adapted from Joshua Tickell, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel. 3rd Ed. 2000. Plant Latin Name Gal Oil/ Acre Oil Palm Elaeis guineensis 610 Macauba Palm Acrocomia aculeata 461 Pequi Caryocar brasiliense 383 Buriti Palm Mauritia flexuosa 335 Oiticia Licania rigida 307 Coconut Cocos nucifera 276 Avocado Persea americana 270 Brazil Nut Bertholletia excelsa 245 Macadamia Nut Macadamia terniflora 230 Jatropa Jatropha curcas 194 Babassu Palm Orbignya martiana 188 Jojoba Simmondsia chinensis 186 Pecan Carya illinoensis 183 Bacuri Platonia insignis 146 Castor Bean Ricinus communis 145 Gopher Plant Euphorbia lathyris 137 Piassava talea funifera 136 Olive Tree Olea europaea 124 Rapeseed Brassica napus 122 Opium Poppy Papaver somniferum 119 Peanut Ariachis hypogaea 109 Cocoa Theobroma cacao 105 Sunflower Helianthus annuus 98 Tung Oil Tree Aleurites fordii 96 Rice Oriza sativaL. 85 Buffalo Gourd Cucurbita foetidissima 81 Safflower Carthamus tinctorius 80 Crambe Crambe abyssinica 72 Sesame samum indicum 71 Camelina Camelina sativa 60 Mustard Brassica alba 59 Coriander Coriandrum sativum 55 Pumpkin Seed Cucurbita pepo 55 Euphorbia Euphorbia lagascae 54 Hazelnut Corylus avellana 49 Linseed Linum usitatissimum 49 Coffee Coffea arabica 47 Soybean Glycine max 46 Hemp Cannabis sativa 37 Cotton Gossypium hirsutum 33 Calendula Calendula officinalis 31 Kenaf Hibiscus cannabinus L. 28 Rubber Seed Hevea brasiliensis 26 Lupine Lupinus albus 24 Palm Erythea salvadorensis 23 Oat Avena sativa 22 Cashew Nut Anacardium occidentale 18 Corn Zea mays 18 I wont give up, Sorry third attempt. Need to take some advice of how to do it
__________________ Cheers Chris Never give up Last edited by Chris; 10th October 2006 at 09:29 PM. Reason: Sorted out format of table Look at the mess before |
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