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Old 11th October 2006, 12:05 AM
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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

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Thanks Tony for explaining how to run the oil hose. I'll work on it on the week end.




I seem to understand this configuration better than the other one - Mybe because it is easy for my little brain to take. But what if the return diesel is connected to the Pollak valve then back to the diesel tank and only the oil return is looped back to the heat exchanger rather than going back to the vegy oil tank? This return oil will be hot since it is comming from the engine .. Does this sound correct?
With this configuration, the connection from the diesel filter (shared) will also need to be blocked off, as the veggie would return to the diesel tank when veggie is selected.
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With this config. do you think the original fuelp pump will cope or will I need an extra fuel pump? I know Bruce says it is working for him but what do you recommend?
The fuel pump will pump veggie as well as it pumps diesel. I am using the fuel pump for 'veggie only' in one car and both fuels in the other car I have here.
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In regards to sharing the fuel filter ... will that be too much for the filter? The oil will be filter to 5 micron and will me hot comming from the HE. what you think?

Which configuration you think is best for the car Tony?
I is not so much "which configuration is best for the car?" as "which conversion you are happy with using." I will try to list the advantages and disavantages of each configuration below:
Configuration #1 - Fuel selection valve before the stock fuel pump, both fuels share the diesel filter, air bleed from diesel filter disabled, looped return on veggie, return to tank for diesel.
  • Easy to install, no added fuel pump needed.
  • Long purge time due to amount of fuel in the shared filter. This also sends veggie to the diesel tank and may affect cold starting after a while.
  • Bleeding of fuel system after diesel fuel filter changes is more difficult than unconverted engine.

Configuration #2 - Fuel selection valve before the stock fuel pump, relocate the diesel filter to before the fuel selection valve, air bleed from diesel filter disabled, looped return on veggie, return to tank for diesel.
  • Requires more modifications to fuel system than #1.
  • Shorter purge time due to no shared filter. Significant reduction in amount of veggie sent to the diesel tank.
  • Bleeding of fuel system after diesel fuel filter changes is more difficult than unconverted engine.

Configuration #3 - Separate fuel pumps for diesel (new electric fuel pump) and veggie (stock fuel pump), fuel selection valve between filters and IP inlet, return line returned to appropriate tank for the fuel used, diesel filter air bleed not blocked, air bleed could be provided for veggie filter (to veggie tank return line if fitted).
  • Requires added fuel pump and some re-arrangement of plumbing to allow fuel pump for veggie use only.
  • Shorter purge time due to no shared filter. Significant reduction in amount of veggie sent to the diesel tank.
  • Bleeding of fuel system after diesel fuel filter changes is easier than in unconverted engine (electric pump for priming diesel side).
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I look forwards to your reply.

Big thanks

Fitian
I hope that my comments above have helped.
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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

Tony,

Thanks for taking the time to explain things for me. I think configuration #2 is what I can go by for now. and maybe later I can add an extra pump.

Where to buy that extra pump do you know?

When you said ...

Bleeding of fuel system after diesel fuel filter changes is more difficult than unconverted engine.

Did you mean that it will take longer to bleed, going to be too hard. Could you please explain why?

Thanks Tony

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Old 12th October 2006, 01:21 AM
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Tony,

Thanks for taking the time to explain things for me. I think configuration #2 is what I can go by for now. and maybe later I can add an extra pump.

Where to buy that extra pump do you know?
I have bought small electric fuel pumps on eBay for around $25 - $40 ea. They need to be able to pump diesel, so in general, the Facet bran or similar should be fine.
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Bleeding of fuel system after diesel fuel filter changes is more difficult than unconverted engine.

Did you mean that it will take longer to bleed, going to be too hard. Could you please explain why?
The fuel filter is on the suction side of the fuel pump. The air bleed is blocked. You will need to open the fuel piping somewhere after the fuel pump or loosen the fuel pipe going into the IP, so that the air from the new (empty) filter can be pushed out of the fuel system and be replaced by fuel.
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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

Hello Tony,

In regards to the Banjo Bolt. Do I block it only from the bottom or do I also block the three holes please?

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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

Fitian, you want the return lines to work and so route the fuel back to the Pollak valve (or to the tank etc), so you have to block the bottom of the bolt only. I used metal epoxy.

If you block all the holes of the banjo bolt you will have a nice mess to clean up when the return lines burst
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If you block all the holes of the banjo bolt you will have a nice mess to clean up when the return lines burst
Yeah , I am so thankfull for your advise Bruce. I blocked only the bottom and tried the system before I posted the question. But I wanted to make sure I understood everything the right way.

I have followed the same steps you took to build the system. So I am using separate filters and one lift pump.

I have just finished wiring up the Pollak valve today and checked all the lines then (let me use your words) "I threw in the good stuff " and went for a drive. Man it is a great feeling indeed.

I must Thank you Bruce for your posts, pictures and diagrams. That was a great help.

I must also thank you Tony the true WIZ of OZ for all the support, photos and advises. Thank you for being so patient with me and my ignorance . Sorry if I gave you hard time.

I'll post some photos of the final situation soon.

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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

Good work Fitian! You have done well and get full marks for persistance and getting your conversion completed
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Good work Fitian! You have done well and get full marks for persistance and getting your conversion completed
Thank you Bruce,

I would not have done it with you and Tony.

Here are some final photos...



Also the Lift Pump ...



And the switch...



I still have to buy a good fuel tank (where did you get yours Bruce?) . I am using a 25 ltr jerry can for now.

I'll post a photo of that later.

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Re: Mercedes 300D conversion

Fitian

I bought my plastic tanks from a marine supplyer on eBay. But I see K-Mart now stocks them as well! Otherwise, in Newcastle, either Bulbecks at Islington, or the one on Hunter Street West. I can't remember the name.

Excellent pics!!!
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Fitian,
Great Pix, excellent work, did you manage to get an on/on switch or did you have to settle for an on/off/on switch?
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