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    Heating the house with bio

    Due to some clown (noddy or big ears) in government I can no longer get fire wood from the state park, so Im (and may others) are forced come up with some other form of heating. Several small fire wood business have been put out of work so its now very expensive to buy wood. So I picked up a Planar diesel air heater from ebay and threw some bio in it and what do you know, it works like a charm..... In fact it works a little too well I also picked up a floor heater vent ( from another seller) and the first time I fired it up it melted the vent, It blows out incredibly hot air. So just got to finish installing it and it should be all good.
    Still having issues with photos so have a look at this if your interested http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321481190...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    That looks like a very interesting alternative heater what size area are expecting to heat with it is there any fume issues? hope all goes well Smithw

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Check out my thread on http://www.biofuelsforum.com/threads...t=home+heating
    using WVO as fuel. I have a couple of video on you tube also.

    I have now got the hydronic heating radiators connected and working well.
    Yesterday the house was cold at 11am so I fired it up and it used about 10 litres between then and midnight. The whole house was up above 20C, so I am pretty chuffed with this heater.
    Still more work to do, controls to change heat settings and valve positions, between boosting the solar tank and for heating the house. Safety and over temperature shutdowns will also be incorporated into the control system.

    Yours sounds like a little rocket. You may need to get a blower to mix cooler air with the heated air so you don't cause any damage with the excessively hot air from your new toy.

    Have fun,

    Tony
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel.
    Toyota Camry Hybrid - (Wife's Car)

    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]



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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Thanks tony Ive been toying with idea of converting the wood fire to WVO, glycerine or sump oil, but the fire place is near the center of the house, on a concrete slab, so I havent worked out how Im going to get a fuel line to it. I dont want a tank inside.
    So this diesel heater came up so I thought I would give it a go, as we would now have to spend $150 or more per meter of wood (if I can get it) , and probably go through 4 meters over winter. It certainly heats the house up way quicker than the fire, as is sucks up cold air from outside and blasts hot air inside. It has a separate intake and exhaust for the burner so there is no problems with fumes. I will at some stage fit a thermostat to it, easy enough done it just has 2 wires to turn it off and on.

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    smithw,
    You could simply run a suitable pipe up an outside wall over the ceiling and then down to the heater. If it is against a wall or in a corner that will make it easier to route the pipe. I am using 10mm nylon air line as my fuel pipe, but i only have to go from the tank outside, thru the rammed earth wall, and into my control box (containing the fuel pump, valves and flow control valves as well as the blower and eventually the control electronics).
    Note: Facet style fuel pumps do not like to self-prime with fuel. They overheat and the electronics die.
    I have killed 2 of them this way.

    Tony
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel.
    Toyota Camry Hybrid - (Wife's Car)

    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]



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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Thanks Tony, Do those little tick tick pumps work ok with WVO or WMO? It was nice to be ale to flick a switch this morning and heat up the house.

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Yes, they do work OK, but you need to have larger fuel lines to minimise the flow restriction.
    At the moment, we are using 50% used Transformer oil (reprocessed but not meeting specifications) and 50% WVO as fuel.
    Last night we used 12 litres between 4pm and 1:30 am, and most of the house was toasty warm. We closed off the bedrooms to avoid cool drafts in the living areas.

    Regards,
    Tony
    Last edited by Tony From West Oz; 27th May 2015 at 03:38 AM.
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel.
    Toyota Camry Hybrid - (Wife's Car)

    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]



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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Tony,

    You may already realise this and are taking appropriate precautions, but I understand that used transformer oil is particularly nasty. I also understand that the oil has been changed in recent years and the current oil is less nasty, but I do believe they are both carcinogenic. I think it has to do with the excessive heat cycles they go through and the temperatures reached.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2002 100 series Landcruiser
    240,000 Km and counting on B100, 330,000km total on car.
    Naturally aspirated, Walbro Pusher pump just upstream of tank switch valves, Cav filter with reversed fuel flow direction.
    At 160,000 km Rebuilt pump, Reconditioned head and manifolds, glow plugs. Injectors all good after 160,000 km on B100.

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Thanks tony that is good to know, I will have to have a think about how I can convert the fire to wvo. The diesel heater works great, I put it on for an hour last night and the house was warm enough to switch it off. As its air supply is from outside and it blows so much air into the house, The hot air seems to travel all through the rooms, and its not drafty like when the fire place is going. Also it uses around half a liter per hour and is rated at 4.6 KW

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    Re: Heating the house with bio

    Cade,
    Thanks for your reminder of the issues with Transformer oil.

    Tony
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel.
    Toyota Camry Hybrid - (Wife's Car)

    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]



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