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    5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    I know all the stuff about viscosity when cold verses viscosity when hot, Please dont go there, also as my engine has 1/2 Million ks on it I like a slightly heavier oil, hence the 50 grade rather than 40, so dont go there either.
    Question??? Now again and again I read stuff saying the lower whatever W oil gives better, as in faster lubrication and protection at start up [where most wear occurs] ,So on cold start a 5W50 oil is much thinner than a 20W50 and the 5W50 gets pumped and splashed around much quicker.
    But im imagining myself as a lonely little big end bearing, iv"e had a tuff life and my tolerances are getting bigger as i get older [know the feeling] . Once when I was nice and tight, my close tolerances would hold that 5W50 or 10W50 inplace while cold until my next start, with i think cohesive forces. but now with wider gaps the thinner oil just runs down and out. OOHH that gravity sh#t. So now on startup I am dry.

    The 20W50 oil being a little thicker when cold may tend to Remain in those wider gaps.
    David

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    Quote Originally Posted by dagwill View Post
    I know all the stuff about viscosity when cold verses viscosity when hot, Please dont go there, also as my engine has 1/2 Million ks on it I like a slightly heavier oil, hence the 50 grade rather than 40, so dont go there either.
    Question??? Now again and again I read stuff saying the lower whatever W oil gives better, as in faster lubrication and protection at start up [where most wear occurs] ,So on cold start a 5W50 oil is much thinner than a 20W50 and the 5W50 gets pumped and splashed around much quicker.
    But im imagining myself as a lonely little big end bearing, iv"e had a tuff life and my tolerances are getting bigger as i get older [know the feeling] . Once when I was nice and tight, my close tolerances would hold that 5W50 or 10W50 inplace while cold until my next start, with i think cohesive forces. but now with wider gaps the thinner oil just runs down and out. OOHH that gravity sh#t. So now on startup I am dry.

    The 20W50 oil being a little thicker when cold may tend to Remain in those wider gaps.
    David
    You have the basics of it 'down pat'.
    For a worn engine, go for higher viscosity, both cold and hot.
    eg a 20W50 oil is better for an old engine. I believe that you are better off with an old vehicle to use the cheapest oil in the rating you prefer and change the oil more often. It won't cost any more but will get rid of particles that could cause more wear.
    I do not believe that the bearings will be "dry". They will not have much oil on them, but at start-up, there is less force on the bearings than when running.
    You could get an electric oil pump to prime the bearings prior to cranking. This would eliminate the issue of "dry" bearings completely.

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    Tony
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    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
    Parts Car C220 1993 SOLD.
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel. [Head gasket blew!]


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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    Hey Toni thats something I have wondered about for half my life [ electric oil priming pump ] something you could hit foe 3 or 4 seconds prior to startup, so that you already have oil pressure when you hit the starter. Every car ive had runs for several seconds before the oil light goes out. Sometimes there will even be a clatter in those first seconds. Do you have any further info on such priming pumps

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    Quote Originally Posted by dagwill View Post
    Hey Toni that's something I have wondered about for half my life [ electric oil priming pump ] something you could hit foe 3 or 4 seconds prior to startup, so that you already have oil pressure when you hit the starter. Every car I've had runs for several seconds before the oil light goes out. Sometimes there will even be a clatter in those first seconds. Do you have any further info on such priming pumps
    I have not researched this application, but there are 12V gear pumps which I use to shift WVO around. I feel that they would work well as they can deliver at pressure, can move a lot of oil and they are only around $100 each.
    You need to look for a way to suck the oil from your sump and feed it into the oil galleries.
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    2000 Ford Courier Crew Cab 2.5L Turbodiesel on Blended veggie oil.
    '2014 Toyota Prius (on ULP)


    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
    Parts Car C220 1993 SOLD.
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel. [Head gasket blew!]


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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony From West Oz View Post
    I have not researched this application, but there are 12V gear pumps which I use to shift WVO around. I feel that they would work well as they can deliver at pressure, can move a lot of oil and they are only around $100 each.
    You need to look for a way to suck the oil from your sump and feed it into the oil galleries.
    ou would also want a non return valve in the priming pump circuit so that once you start the engine and shut off the priming pump your oil pressure does not bleed off through it back into your sump.

    Y

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    Provided thosw items are rated or the temps they may encounter. The pump at 1-4 litres per minute would be around the capacity I would expect you would need.

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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    I use these as oil transfer pumps. I have found them reliable and move plenty of oil. They can deliver a high pressure in low flow applications.
    As it will run for about a minute at cold starts, they should last forever.
    Also, no NRV (non return valve) needed.
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    2000 Ford Courier Crew Cab 2.5L Turbodiesel on Blended veggie oil.
    '2014 Toyota Prius (on ULP)


    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
    Parts Car C220 1993 SOLD.
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel. [Head gasket blew!]


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    Re: 5W50 or 10w50 or 20W50

    What you need Dagwill is an oil accumulator. I seriously looked at fitting one of these many years ago when I first bought my diesel 4WD but it was a fair bit of engineering to undertake so eventually I forgot about it.
    Here is a link to one
    https://www.cantonracingproducts.com...h/#HowAccWorks
    To use a pump you would need to tee into the existing oil pump delivery( this may be hard as most fit directly into the block) and the Pick up of the factory pump. An adaptor on the oil filter may be another way. The gear pump would be the best type of pump as when it is stops turning flow is locked.
    Johnnojack
    4WD Isuzu Jackaroo 3.1 180000km on WVO,(2018) 2 tank home built system 6 solenoids heated filter, fuel line and tank pickup for thicker oil. Mk. 9 version now and no changes planned
    Mercedes W201 190D 1986 model: no fuel mods except bigger fuel line from tank, running blend of 90% oil 10% petrol 5000km to date. Motor purrs but car has electrical gremlins

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