Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 28

Thread: Consumption

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colville, Washington
    Posts
    2

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    * Note - these posts have been moved to this new thread, as they diverted from the topic of the original thread.

    Hi, this is an American,

    I think I registered on the wrong forum. In America they sell us Biodiesel at very few stations around the country. But it's not B100, they sell us B50, B20, B10 or B5. But how to we know that the oil companies are just making a bigger profit on pure Dino-diesel and calling it Biodiesel. The American comsumer who isn't biodiesel guru and doesn't know what to look for in a vehicle that runs on biodiesel will just fill up and think they're saving the world.
    Last edited by Robert; 1st January 2007 at 09:35 PM. Reason: Note that it's been moved to the off-topic forum.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    421

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    Quote Originally Posted by vegfuel View Post
    Hi, this is an American,

    I think I registered on the wrong forum. In America they sell us Biodiesel at very few stations around the country. But it's not B100, they sell us B50, B20, B10 or B5. But how to we know that the oil companies are just making a bigger profit on pure Dino-diesel and calling it Biodiesel. The American comsumer who isn't biodiesel guru and doesn't know what to look for in a vehicle that runs on biodiesel will just fill up and think they're saving the world.
    Hi there
    There are 300 Million of you there and if half of you filled up with 2% biodiesel or renewable fuel you will not be saving the world but you will certainly be making a hell of a difference
    Cheers
    Chris
    Never give up :)

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Somewhere out there...
    Posts
    109

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Hi there
    There are 300 Million of you there and if half of you filled up with 2% biodiesel or renewable fuel you will not be saving the world but you will certainly be making a hell of a difference
    Very good point, Chris. I just finished watching the 2006 Earth report card, which was shown on National Geographic. The message I got from the show was pretty much what you said- if we each do what we are able to do, then collectively, we can make a big difference in relation to our impact on the planet.

    If you're able to use renewable fuel/energy, then do so. If you can't, but you can plant 10 trees, then do that. Perhaps you can reduce humans' impact on the oceans by reducing your consumption of fish.

    I believe that there's something each and every one of us can do to help out our planet. It might seem like a small thing, but it all adds up...

    Justin

  4. #4
    David Guest

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Hi there
    There are 300 Million of you there and if half of you filled up with 2% biodiesel or renewable fuel you will not be saving the world but you will certainly be making a hell of a difference
    True enough but the first thing that pops into my head is, Given the incomprehensible quantities of fuel the Americans use every day, is there anywhere near enough bio produced ( or could be produced) for them to use substitute 2%?

    I was looking at a thread on the info pop site about how much bio people make. I was quite amazed at the quantities people listed, some of which equated to 500 liters a WEEK and more! Rather than being an exception, consumption of more than 200L a week seemed to be the Norm.

    I think the real key to saving the planet and stretching the worlds oil reserves and all that is to first get Countries like the US to stop quaffing fuel down like it is an endless and resource that has no effect on the enviroment.

    As I see it, replacing oil in automotive use in not the problem, producing sufficient quantities of the replacement energy source to meet the rate of present oil consumption is the headache. This being the case, the first thing that has to be done is get the level of consumption to a sustainable level that other forms of renewable energy can meet on a practical scale.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    508

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    I agree with you David, but the problem we face both here, the USA and increasingly the rest of the world is they have based their economic models on constant growth, globalisation and single point control, production and distribution and not sustainability or the environment. Until we can change that nothing will ever change.

    To do that we have to elect those who will provide a sustainable economy, environment and sustainable technological growth. Our compulsory preferential voting system, which no matter what you want, gives your vote to the two major parties, meaning we have no hope until if may be too late. As both parties follow the same economic insanity, it appears only revolution or economic and sociological collapse will bring about the required changes

  6. #6
    Marc1 Guest

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD
    Perhaps a bit off topic this branch of "save the planet", however, and answering some of the comments above, when considering what one can do to contribute to a more sustainable future, I agree that all I can do is what I do.
    All the considerations of...we must make the Americans do this, or the Chinese and Indians that one... are most of the time media beat ups that people pick up and pass on.
    Think how do you get your information. TV, Newspapers, Radio. Plus Google and conferences that have taken their information from TV, Newspapers and Radio.

    Problem is that media belongs to a handful of people who's purpose in life is not to inform as one would assume, but to make money by selling advertising space. The so called "news" are just the bait for people to watch, read or listen to the adds that make money.

    So if you want to fish audience what do you use for bait? Something dull and boring like good news? Or the worst possible news there is spiced with a series of beat up, exaggerations and distortions to grab people's attention?

    The sky has been falling on our heads for as long as I can remember reading newspapers and that was a long time ago. The sky must be an awful long way away since it has yet to reach earth.

    It has been 5 or 6 years that the media has been selling the drought as the result of the increase temperatures due to your lawnmower, the cows farts and the usual suspects. Finally someone had the sense to say that it is just a natural phenomenon that will end like any other drought has and that has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect.

    The temperatures rising will certainly have an impact on our way of life however to say that it is just matter of telling the Americans the Chinese and the Indians to hold their breath is too simplistic.
    If the whole planet would go instantly to B100 today the impact of that change would be from very modest to barely noticeable. Just think on the amount of fuel that is burned to produce electricity and to drive passenger jets not to mention volcanic activity, CO2 and CH4 from all hot blooded animals simply existing and you will probably be able to put your efforts of 2% biodiesel into perspective.

    So what to do? Just do what you can do in order to feel at peace with yourself but forget the trenches and assaults to various imaginary foes. Eventually those foes will prove to be just another media beat up in order to sell you MacDonalds or Coca Cola.

    Have a happy end of the year and the best new year ever.
    Marc
    Last edited by Marc1; 31st December 2006 at 04:27 PM.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    508

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    You know, within all the possibilities and probabilities, there is but one outcome, unless we live in parallel worlds. The CSIRO bloke the government has hauled out is saying just what they said 3 years ago and it appears that he is the only one to think that way. Meteorologist, have said it could be El Nino changing, but they won't know for the next few months, which was what they said last year if I remember correctly.

    Considering the facts o global warming, against the hopes I feel we that within the next year, there will be no one doubting it, or they will be dead. In the last most trauma or disastrous events like war and natural disasters drought etc were localised and balanced. Now the effects are world wide, its virtually impossible for our seas to not rise quite dramatically over the next few years. The obtainable reserves of water on the planet are melting and will end up as salt water. Once the glaziers are gone from the continents, many major rivers will stop.

    A good thing to do would be to make your own arrangements as we do with biofuels, but also make some other alternative arrangements, such as have a couple of small solar cells and 600 watt inverter and one small deep cycle battery. If things do go wrong, and you need to escape and survive away from the rioting hordes for a while. You will have your fuel and some storable renewable energy to help you get through. Cost, less than $300. I also have lots of rechargeable batteries and 12v chargers and a laptop. Makes for a comfortable in touch holiday.

    Oops, I don't think there's many mechanic who no anything about biodiesel, I can't find one down here. The bloke that rebuilt my engine said he was happy for me to use biodiesel and keep my 18 month warranty. But I have yet to inform him I will be changing to WVO, that should freak him out.

  8. #8
    Marc1 Guest

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    You know, within all the possibilities and probabilities, there is but one outcome, unless we live in parallel worlds.
    The sky is falling...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Mount Gambier
    Posts
    950

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    My thoughts are the government and media are so closely related its not funny. The government needs fossil fuel taxes to keep itself afloat, and it doesnt want the people doing their own thing. Hey of they can make their own fuel, grow their own food, look after their own kids, do we really need to spend our wholes lives running around trying to accumulate plasma tvs, new cars, swimming pools and all the other consumerist crap that keeps the working plebs working, running between daycare, the job, the other job and the hour commute in the car. Hey we wont care what the TV says we need to own, we wont care if we dont know the difference between a perm and a blow wave, we wont care what the minouges, hiltons or any of the other people that we havent met are doing. Hey we wont need TV at all, and the moguls will be selling space that no one is watching. Or only the idiots. Perhaps it is already happening?

    Would the media say you need to get off the couch and do something? or its all ok, there is no crisis, stay tuned, next we have "americas most stupid implants"
    Last edited by Captain Echidna; 31st December 2006 at 11:40 PM.
    cheers<BR>Chris.<BR>1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system.<BR>

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    508

    Re: Sydney Diesel Centre says stay away from BD

    “next we have "americas most stupid implants"

    Don't we have that already in G.W. Bush

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •