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Thread: Volkswagen's Position on Biodiesel

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    Re: Volkswagen's Position on Biodiesel

    Hi Blueytoo,
    You have identified the very reason the Department of Environment is dead-set on changing the Australian Diesel Standard to mirror EN590. EN590 restricts diesel to a max of 5% FAME (Biodiesel), and therefore supplants VW's position of using a B5.

    We argued this several months ago with the DEH, and lost, the diesel standard will be revised probably in January 09.

    You will not be able to buy b20 on the reatil market, and it is unlikely that all of the current Biodiesel distributors will remain in business.

    The automotive and petroleum industries dictate government policy, and whatever is in their best interests will become the law.

    However, Government must support the majors, any action to minimise Climate Change in Australia will require the full support of the industry; otherwise it will fail.

    Since there is no chance the majors will buy into Biodiesel except to Green-Wash their Rapid-Turnover & Maxi-Profit Strategies, starting in 2009, the consumer's ability to impact emissions will be reduced to taking advantage of whatever the Government and Industry have agreed to offer the consumer.

    ML
    Last edited by morris; 13th October 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason: spelling error
    Morris Lyda
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    The Biodiesel Station

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    Re: Volkswagen's Position on Biodiesel

    Quote Originally Posted by morris View Post
    Hi Blueytoo,
    You have identified the very reason the Department of Environment is dead-set on changing the Australian Diesel Standard to mirror EN590. EN590 restricts diesel to a max of 5% FAME (Biodiesel), and therefore supplants VW's position of using a B5.

    We argued this several months ago with the DEH, and lost, the diesel standard will be revised probably in January 09.

    You will not be able to buy b20 on the reatil market, and it is unlikely that all of the current Biodiesel distributors will remain in business.
    [...]
    ML
    Now I'm really confused...

    Permitting biodiesel blends to B5 or greater is permitted under the Australian diesel legislated standard, provided the resulting fuel conforms to the standard. VW here officially does not permit *any* biodiesel, but B5 should be acceptable with full warranty if one is prepared to *prove* the B5 is compliant with EN590 which would require independent testing to EN/ISO rather than ASTM standards.

    I understood there is a separate biodiesel standard here and in europe to assure quality of commercial biodiesel. No vehicle manufacturer will permit that until they have done enough testing to be sure that it will not cause them any problems/liability/harm to reputation. That does not stop anyone using it at their own risk.

    BTW, national standards policy has been for a long time been to endorse ISO standards as much as possible, so changing the ASTM standard tests to EN/ISO standard tests would be a useful first step to international standards conformance with minimal impact.

    Does anybody know what's happening with the *biodiesel* standard???
    Biodiesel fuel quality standard

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    Re: Volkswagen's Position on Biodiesel

    Hi Blueytoo
    The issue is the Diesel Standard, not the Biodiesel Standard -
    1) VW must produce vehicles that can use a fuel that complies to the Australian Diesel Standard.
    2) Everyone accepts that you can blend 5% Biodiesel (or just about anything else) into diesel & still meet the spec. So VW states they will support a B5.
    3) However, we discover that we can blend a B20-30 that still complies - what will the auto makers say about that - they have to stand behind a fuel that meets the standard - Right?
    4) Wrong, they have pushed for the Diesel Standard to be changed to eliminate any blend higher than 5% FAME, and thereby insure that thrie position on B5 is protected.
    ML
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    The Biodiesel Station

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