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    Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Hi Team.

    Probably get my head bitten off but will give it ago.

    Noticed another new member talking about converting a troopy to WVO and this made me think why do we have so many people
    wanting to convert vehicles with less fuel efficient motors,especially when WVO is going to get harder to obtain.
    wouldn't it be best to try and get a more fuel efficient car.
    I understand members will talk about lifestyle and needs of a big vehicle and the actual cost of purchasing a vehicles, but haven't we got to a point where we have to adjust our way of life,aren't we already doing this by being on this forum?.
    So why are we all here?, To save money?,maybe save the planet?. For me its about learning and ultimately obtaining the most fuel efficient car that is able to be converted to run on WVO , I do not have any preference for brands of vehicles but want it to run on WVO and todate it looks like a Mercedes C250d averaging around 6 L/100km on the Hwy,this will cost more to purchase but you also have the added peace of mind with safety features like airbags,ABS and maybe German quality.

    Anyway bite my head off but let me know should we be all looking into better fuel efficient vehicles to save our precious WVO.

    I do understand a persons vehicle selection can also come down to the cost factor so please I am not trying to belittle anyone
    if this is their main factor.

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    No head biting necessary.

    For me and I suspect a lot of users it would be a combination of the following:

    Life style - 4wding
    Size/power of car - needed for family and camping, boating etc
    Money - cant afford newer car
    Experiment with older car
    Older cars more forgiving with fuel - See common rail and DI threads related to this.

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Fair comments, if someone cant justify why they are driving a 4WD they shouldnt be doing so.
    I think 4WD's are common for a couple of reasons, they are cheap because they suck fuel, as more fuel efficient cars are more in demand because of their fuel efficiency. Of course buyers of a diesel (to run on used cooking oil) are looking at value for money, and fuel consumption is not a great factor.
    That and diesel gemini's are getting thin on the ground!
    cheers<BR>Chris.<BR>1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system.<BR>

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Jones View Post
    Easy!
    Because the Yanks don't worry about fuel efficiency and as most people on veg forums copy everything the yanks do without thinking for themselves or investigating the validity of the information, they will just convert behemoths they don't need as well!

    Of course there is also the fact that many of the truly fuel efficient cars available here are little European things with engines that don't take well to an SVO conversion and have no room under the bonnet to do it anyway.
    Dave Jones, you are always so negative and scathing. You look for the worst in people all the time.

    Some people like to go places off the beaten track on camping trips and stuff where and ol bomb like a W123 300D or a Peugeot wouldn't make it.

    Some people also sleep in their cars when they go away, instead of pitching a tent in the rain or paying for a motel. Think of the money saved there, in comparison to the bit more fuel that's used.

    I know I'd rather stretch out on a nice mattress next to a coupla cubees of warm WVO in a Troopy or LWB Patrol rather than curl up like an unloved dog on a vinyl seat in a musty old Merc or Pug.

    But each to their own. You just keep on keeping on, Dave Jones
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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    I wouldnt bite someones head off for questioning that I drive a 4WD, that I am a teacher, or just about anything else.
    Accuse me of copying something American without questioning it, and you may be getting close.......
    I bought the same type of car as my brother and father. I tries hard to find a more suitable car that wasnt the same, (I dont want to appear as the type of person that would think my sister cute, if you catch my drift) but it came down to 3 things.
    1. Suitable for towing boat (1500kg+ boat ramps).
    2. Able to do long trips without refueling. (visiting parents or inlaws is about 900K round trip)
    3. Standard 2 tanks.
    Any other cars got 1000k range from one of 2 tanks in the car?
    Last edited by Captain Echidna; 12th August 2008 at 02:30 PM.
    cheers<BR>Chris.<BR>1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system.<BR>

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Quote Originally Posted by neil View Post
    Noticed another new member talking about converting a troopy to WVO and this made me think why do we have so many people
    wanting to convert vehicles with less fuel efficient motors,especially when WVO is going to get harder to obtain.
    I think it's a natural consequence of the rise in fuel prices. The resale value of behemoths drops, so people looking to save a buck will buy them and convert them to the cheapest possible fuel.

    I'm with you. I like to run my fuel efficient, minimally-polluting car on the most environmentally responsible, sustainable fuel that I can, and I look forward to the day when the cost of fuel reaches the point that there are no more 4wds to trash the planet.

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    1) My choice to purchase a 4WD was not to save a buck. If I kept the old car and set aside $7000 for fuel I would still be purchasing fossil fuel from the money. Instead I sold the car and added $7000, bought an older 4WD which had done 320,000 k’s more than the car I sold, so I could run on used cooking oil. I would have been better off financially (and time wise) to keep the magna, Of course I could have added more than the $7000 and bought a newer car and run biodiesel, however this was financially beyond me.

    2) Your view that “4WD’s trash the planet” is biased. Is the guy in a 2wd car driving around for no reason not trashing the planet? Is the slow moving traffic jam in big cities with only one person in the car not trashing the planet? When does “choice” become "trashing the planet".

    Anyway if you are really into
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzy View Post
    I like to run my fuel efficient, minimally-polluting car on the most environmentally responsible, sustainable fuel that I can,
    then I look forward to hearing your comments on the new hyaundai electric car when you purchase one. (Blade Electric Vehicles) Solar panels on the roof of your house and you have 100% emmision free motoring. Unless of course you are just
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzy View Post
    looking to save a buck
    Last edited by Captain Echidna; 12th August 2008 at 06:15 PM. Reason: added "of the house"
    cheers<BR>Chris.<BR>1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system.<BR>

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Some interesting replies.

    Have to say I have a little more faith in our members, as I stated above I thought I would have been crucified with some of my comments.

    I still cannot justify a 4WD and its fuel consumption ,I was horrified when recently a newbie mentioned he wanted to start making Bio as his landcruiser was using 14L/100km around town.

    Lifestyle choice owning a 4WD is going to come to and end just like the recreation boating fraternity, I live 1km from our local boat ramp and the last 12 months you hardly see a boat going past, Rivera on the Goldcoast Australia's largest boat builder has just put off 400 workers as no one can seem to afford the fuel to use them.

    I can see WVO getting harder to obtain and the need to start saving the stuff now, and the biggest way to save will be using more fuel efficient cars.
    Whats wrong with a merc that only uses 6L/100km on the freeway, traveling distance should be well over 1000km per tank.

    I think you need to be ditching the idea of a 4WD is ok as the WVO is free.
    And I don't think lifestyle choice is a reason to own a 4WD anymore.
    Its just going to get harder and harder.

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Some fair comments, but in this part of the world getting hold of oil in not hard, and the oil I use I am not competing with anyone for, I am only stoping it going into landfill. No comercial collector can collect from the places I get it from. (either there is no room for a 44 gallon drum, or a driveway that you cant get a truck into) the only other bloke that asked for some I was happy to share it with, but he has stopped taking it.
    I am literaly running my car on garbage, because I am saving it from landfill.
    And I also have a merc, which is used in preferance to the 4WD when possible.
    I still think all people make choices about things that impact on the environment, and some are questioned and others not. If you live 50ks from work in a big city and drive a merc , people wont question your driving choices. If however you live 5ks from work, and drive a 4WD, people will question how much fuel you use, even though you use a fraction of what the other guy uses.
    cheers<BR>Chris.<BR>1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system.<BR>

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    Re: Fuel efficient vehicles with BIO/WVO

    Hi everyone,

    this is a cool thread.

    Funny how some people who live in capital cities say 4x4's are bad. They still drive their own car/vehicle when most have access to public transport.

    They still buy their ever larger v8 holdens/fords/mercs because they can.
    Why don't these rich buggers get picked on for their vehicle choice? They could have brought a 4 cylinder and saved the planet.

    In the country I forget what a train or a bus looks like. The roads are crap and most are dirt. Pot holes are big enough to swallow your pug.

    The pedestrians here are Kangaroos, cows, horses and believe me the bull bar is a handy invention.

    Every week here someone has their car totalled by roadside critters.

    Try having a horse come through the windscreen of your low to the ground, bendy, no bullbar city sedan and see how quick you trade up to a good old Toyota Landcruiser Troopcarrier.

    It goes without saying that they must have bullbar, spots so bright you can help light up the local footy ground and at least 1x CB and 1xUHF.

    So for me the 4x4 is the vehicle I choose to drive for the conditions we have to contend with where I live. Plus it's handy to tow the boat and camper,

    God bless froggo.
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    Blending in main diesel tank
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