Hi guys

I'm new to this forum but have been very active in other similar biofuel internet discussions.

Anyway, my company provides transport services to the mining industry in Central QLD. I ordered a bulk shipment (3,000 tonnes) from these guys and they're pretty good. Obviously it's only for those who order bulk shipments in advance, not small users.

The company is Asia-Pac Biodiesel and their website is www.asiapacbiodiesel.com.au


Does anyone know of any other bulk order B100 suppliers to industry?

Thanks
Simon

Hi Simon,

I can't help myself. Having had a quick look at their website, I suspect (OF COURSE I COULD BE WRONG) they are producing from palm oil.

Great idea if you hate the planet, and don't care if Orang Utangs (and who knows what else) are wiped out in the wild.

I actually disagree with the idea of production of biodiesel when land is cleared of native vegetation to do it.

If you can sleep comfortably with making a contribution to the elimination of wildlife, go on ahead.

Again, I COULD BE ALL WRONG, but there has been a fair amount of publicity about this issue, and some people care, and some don't.

Cheers,
Gordon.

Hi Simon,
Your first post and you cop a lecture. I'm sure you found it helpful and no doubt it will encourage you to partake in further discussions on the Forum.
Do you buy and use 100% Bio or buy blended, or blend yourself.
How long have you been using it and have you experienced any fuel line problems.

Sleep well!!

I am not sure caring about Orang Utangs is the issue, but perhaps perspective, as if you care about Orang Utangs you will also need to.......
1) Not make biodiesel from second hand oil originating from asia (explain to the restraunter you will gladly accept oil that has not come from asia, to encourage him to not buy it from there) if he wants to buy it from there he needs to dispose of it otherwise. If its new or second hand there isnt a lot of difference.
2) Not eat meat, as vegetable growing is far more efficient land use than growing meat to eat. Even if the meat is australian its causing people to buy their oil off shore, putting pressure on land use. All agricultre encourages land clearing. (I believe American beef is fed enough grain to feed the third world. A strong argument for going vego?)
3) Not use fossil fuel, as after all there is not much point the Orang Utangs having rainforest thats under a low level sea, or that has died off due to climate change*
4) grow all your vegies yourself, so they are not transported in trucks burning diesel.
5) Bicycle. It doesnt need oil changes......

The big danger with the "biofuels kill Orang Utangs" argument is, what else are you going to do? use nice clean fossil fuel that doesnt harm the environment? (lets not mention "exxon valdeze" and damage the clean environment image?)
Of course if you are doing these things, you are a legend!

*Ok I said "climate change" I meant global warming. I think "climate change" is a bit like "having non consensual sex with the environment" it sounds nicer than raping it.....

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cheers
Chris.
1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system. 1979 300D veg oil/ diesel blend for now.

Hi Simon,

Have you tried Freedom Fuels? Tell them I sent you, otherwise, if you want a contact, PM me your details and I'll get them in touch with you.

Cheers,

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Robert.
Site Admin.

Thank you for all the positive replies to my question.

I had no idea Freedom supplied bio at all...thanks Robert!

As for the debate on greeness of fuels, it would seem that bio produced from sustainable feedstocks (eg. tallow that would otherwise be exported to a Slovakian soap factory) still contains a very positive energy balance, and is thus a very good 'drop in' solution to our short term energy needs.

The technology continues to improve and we will have even better solutions, from even more efficient feedstocks, within 3 years

Allright, allright, allright, fair enough, his first post and I give him a lecture. So Simon, welcome to the forum.

I don't regret starting the debate though. And, yes, I am a hypocrite - I have a car, I fly, etc. But I do make an effort - going solar, recycling water, using a bicycle. And I am very concerned about what's happening to the planet.

Thanks Robert for answering the question,
I wasnt intending to be as rude as it may have appeared, but as Dave was alluding to, at the end of the day there is a range of "greeness" with on one end a rich guy with a well lit and heated home with a large car or 3 in the garage and at the other end, a guy living the entirely sustainable lifestyle not seen as the majority in this country for 200+ years (and as captain cook observed, happier than you may expect. I guess no electricity bills or petrol prices?) We all pick where we want to be on the scale.

Not wishing to harm animals is a good thing, but I find it interesting that some people who are on one hand not wanting to use biofuels due to pressure on farmland/ forest (which is fine) are happy to put pressure on farmland in other ways (like eating meat, and wasting the average 20% of all food bought). And of course if they arent going to use biofuels what are they going to use, both now and when fossil fuel does eventually run out? I think we need to use the alternative now, after all its pointless not cutting down the rainforest and burn fossil fuel now if we are going to clear the forest in the future when we run out of fossil fuel. I smell oil company funded scaremongering when people say "look after the orangutang" when discussing biofuels, but dont consider them when cooking.

My suspicion is that the orangutang argument is probably one of the small numbers of negatives regarding some biofuels. (Even then though how many people have checked the accuracy of it?) Some of the unwashed public have said to people who make their biofuel from waste oil its bad because of the orangutang/ starving people issues.

The other one, starving people, I think can be discounted the moment people realise the price of fuel (to make food) has gone up, food prices have gone up, people have started to use biofuels (because fuel is expensive) Now if the third world cant afford to feed itself, whats caused it? Surely biofuel is the symptom, not the cause?

Gbossley, Perhaps I saw you on a bike on my last trip to Hamilton? I was they guy who had to explain to his 6 year old why we werent going to ride our bikes there....... (note to others, its 130ks from Mount Gambier- Hamilton) I think your effort are good, they sounds similar to my own!

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cheers
Chris.
1990 landcruiser 80, 1HD-T two tank, copper pipe HE+ 20 plate FPHE, toyota solenoids and filters. 1978 300D, elsbett one tank system. 1979 300D veg oil/ diesel blend for now.