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Old 1st October 2005, 03:55 AM
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A Group in Melbourne have recently opened a Group in Yahoo - Melbourne Biodiesel.
I have joined that group and will support both groups.
I also posted the following message on that group:
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:36:46 -0000
From: "tony_from_west_oz" <tony.clark@arach.net.au>
Subject: Would we be better off having a single site for Oz Renewable Fuels?

Would we be better off having a single site for Oz Renewable Fuels,
owned by an Incoprporated Association, rather than by an individual.

Australia is a single country with six states and a few territories.
Taxation issues affect us all similarly.
There are other issues which affect us all, to a greater or lesser extent.
There are State Issues - Environmental Protection is one. There are
others.
There are regional issues which are more related to supply of Used
Cooking Oils and sources of chemicals.
There are Local Government issues, amongst others, relating to
permitted uses of the property.

Many people do not make biodiesel, preferring to use Used Cooking Oil
(UCO) as their fuel and making vehicle modifications to ensure
reliability of the vehicle when using this fuel.
Others may wish to use Ethanol, or Producer Gas as their fuel choice.

These lead me to believe that we need an Australian Site, with State
and Regional pages, so that everyone can contribute to the broader
issues, but still retain the local focus from which most of us have
developed our interests.
For each fuel type there could be a general page, added to as interest
increases in other renewable fuels.

This would give us a venue to air political discussions and arrange
group meetings to lobby for better treatment of users of these fuels
by the Government and ATO.

Keeping a low profile is one way of avoiding the taxman, but what
happens when they make Methanol a Declared substance (to stamp out
Meth Labs), requiring that all sales must be accompanied by a delivery
address and paid through bank transfer. Yes, there are ways & means
of seeking you out. There will be ways around this, but it will get
harder and harder to obtain, and penalties will increase.
We should stand up and be counted, make a difference, help make a
change in the laws, and be accepted as poneers and recognised as such.
Without us, the biodiesel industry would not even be at the fledgling
stage it has just grown to.

I seek your opinions to construct an open, considered debate on this
issue.
Please toss this idea around and see what develops.
Tony
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Re: Australian Renewable Fuels Forums

If you want to use this site, anyone is welcome to it – I can make a space here that you can control.

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  1. I'd be more than happy to expand the available sections here to include all the Australian states & territories, I'd only put Sydney there to start as that is my local scene. I'd be only too pleased to offer a home to any other communities as well here. I might do this soon anyway.
  2. I'd be happy to join a biofuels incorporated association and hand over this site to them (I'd deliberately made the name of these forums generic enough to support this possibility) as long as the flow of information and community sharing stayed free and accessible to all. I have no problem with this association charging for memberships that offered other benefits, as long as access to the website, or sharing amongst members was not one of the things offered for a price. This is something that I always strongly felt the BAA did wrongly (and still advertises these false promises on their website).
  3. I'd be happy to help anyone else set up a site of their own as well. I'm only doing this site from my own pocket to fill a need that I saw existing. I'm not making any money out of it, or hoping to either. I was only hoping to find like minded folk to help me out with my own biodiesel interests, as I found them all scattered and hiding on the web previously. If you decide that you do want to just do something on your own, I'd be happy to give you any help or advice with web skills needed.
It is my opinion that there are lots of folk in the biofuels scene out there that are spending lots of time on internal politics and infighting. There seem to be lots of conflicting interests and competition, when it should be collaboration. This is sad for the cause in general. I'd be happy to assist anyone or any group in whatever way I can to further the biofuels cause (well, maybe biodiesel and waste cooking oil more so than ethanol - That's just my personal preference, but I won't exclude discussions on ethanol if people want to argue for it here).

Tony - I fully agree that it would be far better for us to stand up and be counted, I'm really sick of everyone hiding away afraid to share what they are doing. Perhaps we would get a bit more public support and maybe be able to have a political voice if we were more numerous and obvious.
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Re: Australian Renewable Fuels Forums

I have always been very interested in alternative fuel but only recently have started to look at Biodiesel as an alternative. The more information I can get hold of the better. It's things like how and where can I get methanol here in western Victoria that I need to know. I'd like to get a test batch made up so I can get an idea of what's involved. So a local forum would suit me well.

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Re: Australian Renewable Fuels Forums

Hi Toni in WA, and anybody else interested.
Yep the melbourne group arn't doing much dialogue on the Yahoo site, probably cause the truely active members down here can just call each other up on the old fashioned dog and bone. But we still really need to get more enthusiasts along so as to reach our goal of becoming a site group of the CERES environment park, and set up an open educational plant for school kids and small minded adults to come and watch us make BD, and a neutral space (clubhouse) , Not someone in particulars own shed, meaning no real shared risk, but one big risk for the one individual, not to mention contravening coucil aproval and bylaws.
To Be advised in early Feb or late Jan will be a meeting held at CERES to get the ball rolling in setting up proper afiliation, of the Melbourne Biodisel club.
As is the rules with the meeting of or creating of a club everyone must get 28 days notice of the date and whereabouts of the meeting and i will use this site here as well as the yahoo site to promote the meeting.
cheers all , hope to see many enthusiasts at the meeting.
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Re: Australian Renewable Fuels Forums

Cool. Good to hear things are moving down there. Post up a new thread in this area (Melbourne Users forum) when you have some info on it and hopefully some Melbourne folks will find you from it. I'd be happy to help you guys get some web presence soon.
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