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  • Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

    Well, at the time of this posting I understand that presently there are no bowsers pumping biodiesel.

    Hopefully we can all change that soon.

    In the mean time, we'd welcome any commercial, would be commercial or home enthusiasts placing any information here that may assist people to get biodiesel easily.

    Presently I understand that there are 2 places in NSW that will be selling commercial biodiesel, one in Rutherford and the other soon to be opening in Gosford. There are rumours that the Gosford plant may be supplying to a bowser in Rozelle.

    Any posts offering information would be most welcome here.
    Robert.
    Site Admin.

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    Distributor coming soon in Rozelle

    Our first meeting last night was told that the Gosford plant should be supplying to Sydney Waterways Construction by the end of September 05. They will have a tanker on site with a bowser to fill your vehicle from.
    No prices have been set, but it is intended to compete with fossil diesel.
    More info will be posted here and on the sydneybiodiesel main site when available.
    In the mean time, please discuss this in this thread here: Supplier - Sydney Waterways Constructions in Rozelle.
    Robert
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    Last edited by Robert; 16 September 2005, 03:54 PM.
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    • #3
      Rutherford Plant will supply to Australian Standard

      I have just been informed by Andrew Hill of Biodiesel Industries Australia, that his plant in Rutherford is producing to Australian Standards.


      While they have no strategy for distribution to enthusiasts in Sydney (as they focus on large fleet supply), they will put it into 205L drums if requested, or sell it in larger quantities direct from the plant.

      If anyone would like any more info on this, or has any comments, concerns or information to offer, please post them here.
      Robert
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      Last edited by Robert; 9 September 2005, 12:07 AM.
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      • #4
        Should I blend? and when can I get it?

        Hi All,

        I have a relatively new Land rover with a td5. I know that the plumbing
        is all ok as there are plenty of these in Europe running biodiesel.

        But as I am new to this should I swap over to 100% Biodiesel straight up
        or try 20% bio --> then 50% bio --> then 100% bio?

        Or should I go straight to 100%?

        I have heard that the biodiesel has a higher detergent action and
        can shake loose deposits that may be left behind by fossil Diesel.
        Is this true and should I change the fuel filter before I fill up?

        I work in Balmain so Waterways at Rozelle would be a great place
        to pick up a tank full.

        Let me know when you are open for business and I'll wander down.

        I'd be happy to run the fuel economy comparison, I have records that
        go back a few years.

        regards
        Matthew

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        • #5
          2001 D130, Td5

          Matthew,

          landrover use plastic fuel tanks, and synthetic rubber fuel lines so there is little, if any corrosion, in the tanks themselves, or corrosion of the fuel lines.... and yes - biodiesel is a mild solvent, so it will "clean" fuel lines, etc...

          I started using biodiesel in my landrover about a year ago, and have not changed any fuel filters... I am notaware of any adverse effects on the engine..

          regards,

          biodiesel bob.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mattD110td5x
            Hi All,

            I have heard that the biodiesel has a higher detergent action and
            can shake loose deposits that may be left behind by fossil Diesel.
            Is this true and should I change the fuel filter before I fill up?
            I did have my fuel filter block up after my first tank of BD.
            One solution suggested to me is to clean the filter before your first fill, and fit a small cheap petrol filter before the main filter. ie disconnect the inlet pipe from the existing fuel filter, insert the extra fuel filter filter plus an extra little piece of pipe but don't modify the exising pipe. That way when it clogs up (and the car starts to lose power) you can pull over, remove/replace the extra filter and keep going. Better than having to clean or replace an expensive diesel filter.

            After the first tank I did not have further problems with the BD cleaning the tar from petrodiesel out of the tank.
            After I changed BD suppliers, I have used some BD which clogged up the filter a bit.

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            • #7
              Hi Guys,

              Thanks for the posts. Good to see some good conversation starting. I put up this site with the idea “if you build it they will come”, so I’m glad that it seems to be working so far. I hope that soon we will be a thriving community.

              What I now realise is that I will have to start setting up some better structure in here so that the topics can be better organised. I’d be eager to hear your ideas and suggestions too.

              Now that I’m seeing the topics that you guys are posting, I might start trying to organise them better into topic areas and new threads rather than one big long one.

              @ Matthew: Good point re blending. Initially, I’d doubt that our friends at Sydney Waterways Construction would be well set up to do this, but it is an interesting thing to consider, especially if we can find/coerce other locations to storing and retailing biodiesel.
              Glad to hear that you’ve got some good records as well for economy comparison. I have good records too, so I’ll be posting them up as soon as I get myself organised.

              @ biodieselbob: Thanks and welcome. Glad to hear that Land Rovers are “ready to go”. That’s a better answer than I’ve managed to get officially from LR in Australia!

              @ jcaley. Good point re the filters. Perhaps it might be a good idea to build some sort of welcome to biodiesel guide for newbies that any potential new user should read before their first tank from Rozelle. I might put up some FAQs with this sort of stuff as well, based on the info that you are all contributing here.
              Robert
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              Last edited by Robert; 12 March 2006, 10:27 PM.
              Robert.
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              • #8
                Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                Hi, very new to biodiesel but from what I've seen it all looks good for the vehicle and greenhouse friendly. I'm not really into making my own (although i don't really know what's involved) but I am interested to find out if I can buy it somehow. I'm in the Blue Mountains (Leura) so a trip to Rozelle isn't practical for my weekly fill but I wondered about the option of buying in bulk and storing in say a 1500 litre tank somewhere local. I can easily get half a dozen friends to share the costs but with freight this may not be practical? Does anyone know if any of the suppliers mentioned on this forum sell in bulk and will deliver to my tank? Approx cost/litre? And what the tax implications are (ie; I'd hope that when I buy in bulk I pay the excise and then if I share it among friends they just pay me and there's no excise to worry about - or is that wishful thinking?). Any info or advice most welcome!
                Lucas.

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                • #9
                  Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                  Hi, Lucas and welcome to the forum.
                  How much Biodiesel do you and your friends need? I live in Lithgow and would pass by Leura on my way to collect fuel in Sydney. If you only need a 200Litre drum's worth from each collection day, we could share the delivery. The fuel tanker that Waterways has is their own yard vehicle and does not "Do the rounds" delivering bulk fuel to customers. We have to go to them and pick it up in our own bulk containers. We're hoping (Aren't we, Robert?) to organise another bulk pick-up day in mid December.
                  As far as the excise goes, that only applies to anyone making Biodiesel, wether as a small backyard batch or as a large commercial plant. The fuel Waterways has is made in a large plant on the Central Coast and the plant has paid the excise already. Waterways, or yourself, or any other end user does not have to pay the excise again. GST is a different matter, and should be applied to each sale by a registered ABN user. If you don't have an ABN, you can't claim the GST charged by Waterways, but then again, you don't need to charge it to anyone else you sell the fuel to, such as your friends.
                  Mazda's Secret Service motto: "Tell 'em nothing, charge 'em double".

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                  • #10
                    Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                    Thanks Gunner,
                    good info - and thanks for the offer to share delivery - that could work out well if you are passing thru. I'd be interested in looking into getting a 200 litre drum, what do you think it'd cost all up? and how does it work with the drums? I suppose we need to supply a drum? And I'll need to get hold of a hand pump from somewhere or maybe I'll just start off by syphoning from the 44 into a 20 litre container for easier pouring into the vehicle. Everyone I know who has a diesel is interested in trying it out so i think what'll happen is I'll get the 44 and will probably divide it up among 5 or 6 of us and then we'll drive around and decide we like and will try and get more! It'll depend a bit on cost of course but as long as it's close to fossil diesel we'll all probably use it regularly. What is the bloke at the Waterways charging per litre? or are you buying from Rutherford? And what would be a fair thing to pay you to share the cost of fuel and running costs for your trip down and back? Keen to talk more.
                    Cheers,
                    Lucas
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                    Last edited by Lucas; 23 November 2005, 08:59 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                      Hi Lucas,

                      Firstly, a friendly word of caution about leaving youre private email in a public forum: There are spiders that crawl websites all day everyday collecting any emails that they see and building lists for spammers. Once you get on one, you can't get off. This site keeps your email hidden from any unregistered users, which keeps the spam spiders away. You can choose to display your email to other members from your control panel. Usually, it's best to request users private message you in the forum, rather than email direct. Once you're in a private message, you can swap emails to your hearts content.

                      Right, now on to more important things:

                      I've noticed we have another new member here from Hazelbrook (Fat Man), you may want to private message him too he may be interested in joining you.

                      As for your questions:

                      Cost - last time it cost us about $1.45/L, but this time we are hoping to fnd a way to buy it cheaper - see the post called "rutherford run". The idea is this time that we buy it much cheaper, but add a little on per litre to cover the transport costs. We should still (I hope) come in front compared to dirty dino diesel. This is not a profit making excercise for anyone in here.

                      Drums -yes you will need your own, but perhaps a generous soul might offer you a free empty.

                      Pump - yes you will need a pump too if you want to get the biodiesel out of your drum. You certainly won't be able to move it any other way out of the back of Gunner's trailer, unless you have a forklift or a crane. I use a rotary hand pump, which cost me about $120 but fits snuggly in the bung on the drum and pumps quite fast. Others in our group have used cheaper hand pumps, or 12V compressor pumps. I have a spare drum (cheers Gunner) and I pump from the full drum on the vehicle to the empty on the ground. This way you can move as many drums as you want as long as you always have an empty.

                      Containers - I also have a bunch of 25L containers, which I intend to use more of in the future. Unfortunately, when we get the fuel, 25L containers are a no-no as they would fill too quickly and be too impractical. I am working out a deal for us with a dude who sells these containers 2nd hand (they used to have pineapple concentrate in them and they are certified to carry "dangerous goods). I'll post something up on this once it's ready.

                      OK, sorry to get off topic, as this thread was originally for announcing places to buy. Can we all please use a more appropriate thread (just start a new one if you can't find one that applies).

                      Cheers,
                      Robert.
                      Site Admin.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                        Thanks for that Robert, yes, I realised about the email after reading a few of the other posts so I edited it out (this is a very civilised forum!). I'll check out drums, pumps etc and will drop a line to see how you and Gunner are going with the next pick up.
                        Lucas.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                          I've just moved the last bunch of posts in here to their own new thread "Green Station" Marrickville. I did this to keep this thread clean for other new announcements in the future. Seeing as this is now another purchasing option, I thought it deserved its own thread. Please go there to discuss it.

                          Cheers,
                          Robert.
                          Site Admin.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                            hi there,i'm just new to this forum,I recently filled my 1981 landcruiser with its first tank of bio deisel up at the Peats Ridge Festival just north of Sydney which occurred on the 9th to 11th December.The whole festival was running on Biodeisel and i managed to swap a tank for some products from my stall there.
                            It ran really well and I'm keen to get some more,even in large quantitys which i can store at the warehouse where i work out in Turrella.I have yet to check out the situation at Five dock.
                            I live with a bunch of artists under the umbrella 'Mekanarky', (www.mekanarcky.com) we do enviromnental gigs and shows and recycled scupture.We have also experimented with Vege oil systems for old diesel vehicles and have been involved with promoting sustainable energy (www.earthdream.net) We have discussed the idea of having the bio deisel available at our space,either collectively purchased or made,any info on this would be appreciated, cheers Peter Strong
                            Robert
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                            Last edited by Robert; 9 January 2006, 10:45 AM. Reason: Fixed link to show properly

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                            • #15
                              Re: Where to buy biodiesel in Sydney?

                              We were looking for a place to store a 1000L cube (1mx1mx1m). They can be got for around $200 (maybe less) and can be transported in a van or ute or trailer, as long as you have a forklift to get it out at the other end. You may have a service station selling it just up the road from you in Marrickville very soon, but until then, you can buy some from Waterway Fuels in Rozelle, or from Rutherford. If you need to buy some with us when we make our next purchase, just keep an eye on this forum as we'll post up a note when we do.
                              Robert.
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