Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

[neil Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close neil]

Hi Team.
Has anyone looked into this company below.
Free Diesel
They claim their plans turn sump oil into diesel (Not Bio diesel)
Came across them a few years back and they are still selling the
plans. Just seems to good to be true.
Hope this does not offend our true bio members.

Tried searching this forum but nothing on this company from
South Australia.
Thanks Neil.

[joe Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close joe]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

Weird. I'm not paying 150 a copy to find out but I am curious.

[RODEONICK Too Busy To Bio. Find all posts View Profile Close RODEONICK]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

i fail to see how you could get enough of the stuff and for the process to be energy efficient.
I don't think i would anyhow cos sump oil is so so valuable to me anyhow.

[Fitian Was here Find all posts View Profile Close Fitian]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

One of finding out is we all here pay for a copy and educate ourselves.

A trusted member can hold the money and pay for the copy. The we can all learn.

What you guys think.

[pangit Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close pangit]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

I recall this being discussed before, and while it can be done sump oil has so much bad stuff in it that burning it in your engine is a really bad idea from the emissions point of view.

And anyway, as long as there is plenty of vege oil around then it's much easier to use and less poisonous.

[neil Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close neil]

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Thanks for the replies everyone.

Found them selling on ebay which had more info than their own website.
States no running cost no electricity or gas required.

Not sure how one would share the plans as you need to sign a large
agreement with them. Check that out from the site.

Would be interested as Fitian above mentioned. would prefer a more
experienced member involved before going ahead with this myself.

ebay link below.
eBay Motors: SUMP OIL TO DIESEL PLANS = HOME MADE BIO FUEL FOR FREE! (item 270228580374 end time Apr-21-08 04:25:50 PDT)
neil.

[Captain Echidna Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Echidna]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

I did discuss it with a work colleauge, who seemed to think the proporton was about 5 liters of sump oil in for one liter of "diesel" out
Would need a lot of sump oil, for a trip.

[neil Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close neil]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

I did discuss it with a work colleauge, who seemed to think the proporton was about 5 liters of sump oil in for one liter of "diesel" out
Would need a lot of sump oil, for a trip.

This is from the site.

Looks interesting.

◊ AT LEAST 50% CONVERSION RATE (FOR EVERY 100L OF WASTE OIL YOU GET AT

LEAST 50L OF DIESEL WITH ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF WASTE TO DISPOSE OF - ABOUT 1KG OF ASH)

We have had the fuel tested and it produces slightly more power than normal shop bought diesel and produces less smoke.

The fuel shows no waxing or other ill effects even at Minus 18deg Celcius!

Sent an email to the company about the type of oil you can use and this is the response below.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Hi Neil,[/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']It doesn't matter, even if some trans fluid, coolant, brake fluid, gear oil etc is mixed in. as long as engine oil (car or truck) is the majority.[/font]

[Qwarla Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Qwarla]

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◊ AT LEAST 50% CONVERSION RATE (FOR EVERY 100L OF WASTE OIL YOU GET AT

LEAST 50L OF DIESEL WITH ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF WASTE TO DISPOSE OF - ABOUT 1KG OF ASH)

Sounds way too good to be true

Now I never was too good at maths so where did I go wrong here?
100 litres in and 50% conversion. Gives me at least 50 litres of fuel and only a little ash to dump?

I seem to have misplaced about 50 litres somewhere I think.

The only way I can see you getting anything out of used oil is by cracking/reforming then distilling. If you can get this working on a small scale backyard project, why not just buy a heap of crude oil and produce youe own everything that comes out of a full sized refinery.

[pangit Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close pangit]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

Yawn. It's the usual case of "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is".

And crikey, $125 for some PLANS?!! That bit certainly isn't too good to be true!!

Anyway, there's an old thread that discusses it here and another one on a UK site here. Looks like it can be done, but certainly doesn't sound as easy as the Ebay ad says (surprise surprise!)

DO NOT USE IT!

Reasons-

Hideous emissions of lead, oxides of indium and aluminium (From engine bearings) as well as all the other carcinogenic and corrosive nasties it makes when burned....

Excess carbon build-up (From the above, and the spent additives in waste engine oils, which themselves are pretty nasty, even when 'fresh'...)

And it's not Bio fuel either, as the ad claims.

[Captain Echidna Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Echidna]

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As he is in Mount Gambier (as am I) I would be happy to "check out" a working copy if anyone is interested. I would be happy to sign the "confidentiality" agreement as not to disclose how it works, but comment on wether it works.

My other recolection is that it is a burner of some description. Could it work like a vulcan oil heater (burner which vaporises the oil) but then condenses some of the vapour?

[Qwarla Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Qwarla]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

Have a look at How Oil Refining works.

Don't you think that if there was Diesel still in the lubricating oil it would already have been removed in the refinery during distillation? Afterall this is what distillation does. To be correct it is Fractional Distillation.

The only way to get diesel from Lubricating Oil is to perform CRACKING as explained here.

Now can this be done in a backyard setup? I some how don't think so, because as that article explains you need temperatures in the range of 800oC.

[neil Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close neil]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

As he is in Mount Gambier (as am I) I would be happy to "check out" a working copy if anyone is interested. I would be happy to sign the "confidentiality" agreement as not to disclose how it works, but comment on wether it works.

My other recolection is that it is a burner of some description. Could it work like a vulcan oil heater (burner which vaporises the oil) but then condenses some of the vapour?

Hi Captain.
Sounds a good idea a visit.
I have been in touch with them by email and put your request of a visit to
them and also a link to this site and asked if they would be prepared to
explain a bit more to our members, so hopefully they will join and
contribute and explain a bit more and if we get the chance for one of our
members to visit better again.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and replies.
Also the links members above have supplied have been interesting. Thanks.
Neil.

[Guest Close Marc1]

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This sump oil into diesel machinery comes up from time to time in different forums.
A few things to consider:

$150 is a ridiculously low price to pay for this sort of technology even when it is only plans. 100 litres of fuel and you have paid it off.
So if it is that good how come there are not more people doing it?
Since the same can be said for biodiesel I suppose...sort of, I turned to the happy customers testimony and all I could find is people who say they have bought the plans, that say they now can see how this would work, some other pleasantries like they have been looking for it for a long time....and that's it.

The manufacturer can not provide one single happy customer who is making his own diesel and has done so for years and is happy with the results? Not one? There must be someone out there for sure!

Now that to me is a bit of a put off...even when I know that sump oil, after a thorough process of cleaning can be burned in a diesel engine if mixed in a sensible percentage with normal diesel, or bio for that matter.

..........After taking a slight chance & ordering the plans, I indeed see how this will work.... These guys seem to have these plans down pat through much trial and error & from what I understand they have all the bugs worked out. Even though I have not begun construction yet, ....etc
...........I have started to read through the information and think it is a great prospect... It will take a few months before I will start building the system ....etc

...... After looking at your plans I don't have to think I know they will work. The simple design is pure genius. Etc

...a lot of ebayers asking questions about your plans and I am telling them that your plans are worth every penny your asking for them... I am not sure if they are buying but they sound interested....etc

...Kudos on an ingenious and easy to understand plan..... I WILL be transporting myself on FREE FUEL!.....etc etc etc

Now I would like to meet someone who actually makes the stuff or at lest some analysis results from the product of this process.
Not much to ask, the above are not testimony of people making diesel from sump oil, this are testimony of people who have bought plans, and it seems are still making plans

Here is something that may be similar?
Not sure...
Motor Oil Fuel Blending System | Waste Oil & Used Oil Recovery System

more:
http://www.pfaudler.com/images/docs/...0datasheet.pdf
http://www.p2pays.org/ref%5C05/04812.pdf

[Captain Echidna Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Echidna]

Re: Sump oil into Diesel. Is it to good to be true.

OK so condensing wont crack the oil, I wonder then if it is just recondensing the oil? (minus the carbon that makes it black, which goes to ash) I wonder what its viscosity is? perhaps its just clean sump oil?I guess if they agree I will take a funnel and some diesel and do a viscosity comparison. Apart from the machine working, what else would people like to check?If they dont agree, perhaps I will for $5 offer to check out anyone making claims on the internet for free fuel plans who are located in my area......