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  • #16
    Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

    hey,

    I do not understand the reasoning behind the ban. A lot of devoted scientist have spent a great deal of time on research in the field of jatropha to eradicate its ways of behaving as a noxious weed. I have seen the statements made about the potential of jatropha and I agree with them, but it has another important benefit. due to the fact that it can grow under extreme conditions it can stop desertification and turn waste land into profitable farm land. Now the only complaints that the government has agains growing jatropha is the weed factor, which I can say with confidence has been solved. there is a hybrid that will not behave in that manner. So with that problem solved, the only issue left is the effect it could have on cattle (or so the government clams), which is rediculus since the animals know not to eat it, which has already been pointed out in a previous post. so i see no reason not to grow jatropha in australia. it will have a big economic impact and can help the australian economy immensely.

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    • #17
      Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

      Thank god that some state governments can still make positive environmentally cautious decisions rather than going gun-ho into starting up industries for their economic benefit. To allow the introduction of a plant that is known to have potential for invading native communities and escaping crops is ludicrous in my opinion.

      Jatropha curcas is very well adapted to the climate of north Australia, and given its drought tolerance and ability to vegetatively reproduce, it has a strong advantage in outcompeting native vegetation and forming dense impenetrable thickets. Much of Australias northern lands are relatively intact ecosystems that provide crucial services, and using overseas examples of where jatropha has been utilized for rehabilitating decrepid land is not relevant.

      Australia is a developed country as you say and this means it has the advantage of being cautious in its environmental decisions. The australian economy is not in such a desperate situation that it needs to exploit the land for immediate gain or accept any industry that will alleviate rural poverty.

      Sauman, i suggest you zoom out of your own agenda and consider the wider implications of allowing jatropha curcas as a biofuel feedstock for the environment. No false information is being conveyed to the public. THe fact is not a lot of information is available for the environmental effects of jatropha curcas in australia, and I am glad the government has erred on the side of caution.

      thanks
      rob

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      • #18
        Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

        hi cliff,
        can you provide any links to info on the hybrid that you mentioned, or some results from all of the work that those scientists out in the field have been doing?
        thanks
        rob

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        • #19
          Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

          hi Rob,

          I can see where your coming from, but the benefit that jatrpha has over other crop is that it grows in areas where pretty much nothing else can. So in other words infertile land can be turned into fertile land.
          Regarding the Australian economy I believe you are right. We are not in a position where it is vital for us to look at jatropha, but I do not believe we should completely disregard the oportunity that jatropha brings.

          Regarding the information about the hybrid, I am currently not in the position to disclose any information. I am sorry, but during my visit to Singapore and Malaysia I had to sign a confidentiality agreement, but I am sure that the info will be available soon.

          Regards

          Cliff

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          • #20
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            Noxious weeds are designated plants by state or national agricultural authorities as plants that are injurious to agricultural and/or horticultural crops. Most have been introduced into a foreign ecosystem either by accident or mismanagement, but some are also native species. typically they are plants that are aggressive growing and/or multiply quickly and adversely effect desired plants or somehow are injurious to livestock or humans. They are a presently a large problem in the western United States, greatly effecting areas of agriculture, forest management and other open lands.
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            Generally speaking, I would consider weeds as plants that when growing in an environment where they are not native, they grow profusely, to the detriment of the native flora or fauna.


            I for one am glad they are so strict with quarantine in Australia. We really did learn from our past mistakes. Not being able to cultivate jatropha isn't the end of the world. Maybe look towards native plants that can be used.
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            • #21
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              Well what can I say....This Government has no idea what the farmers are facing here in WA... We have farmland thats barely profitable for growing crops, ideal for this commodity and for landcare. I live in the wheatbelt of WA and we need trees fast...This government is paying people to remove trees...i.e Willows...Whats this state doing? Willows are great for erosion problems in creeks and feed and shade for stock.

              I think the Jatropha would be excellent here for areas of farmland needing attention. Wouldn't it be great if it grew on salt! We have plenty of that around. I think we could use it to benefit ally farming and organic matter and also shade for stock.

              They need to get out of there stuffy offices and look around at the devestation of our land thats rapidly appearing and find bio diversity fast! I'm all for it what a great crop...It didn't take the idiots long to bring in GM canola...what a bunch of small minded pen pushers...Get out here and have a look we need this for our future generations sustainability.

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              • #22
                Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                Jodi,
                I agree that Jatropha has promise as a fuel feedstock.
                While I do not know of the reasons for it being on the Declared Plants list, but I do believe that it can be rampant in certain conditions and you may not be able to control it in some cases. This may be one of the reasons.
                Jatropha also requires manual picking, although with Australian ingenuity, someone will surely come up with an invention to mechanise this function.

                I suggest that you contact the Department of Agriculture (WA) to seek an explanation of why it is on the list and to determine what you need to do to seek an exemption, to allow you to trial this tree as a oilseed crop on your property.

                You may find that there are other good reasons why it is banned (I am sure AgWest believe there are). If you manage to obtain permission, I am sure there will be a number of conditions imposed to minimise any perceived risk to the environment.

                Regards,
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                • #23
                  Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                  Originally posted by darren leonadas View Post
                  Russell, If you threw a wad of cash on the ground under a sign saying "no littering" , do you think someone would charge you with the offense of littering, or do you think someone would pick it up for you.? or for themselves?
                  This recent ban on jatropha, and the even more recent advent of suddenly putting excise of 38c in the litre on Meth. is a conspiracy. Call me a freak, but the oil corporation is a psychopath. And state gov. and fed. gov. make a lot of money out of the work of this psychopath.
                  Darren, it is people like you that are the reason there is so much misinformation on the internet. IMHO, you're not a freak. Just an idiot with NFI what he's talking about.

                  Originally posted by Jodi James View Post
                  Well what can I say....This Government has no idea what the farmers are facing here in WA... We have farmland thats barely profitable for growing crops, ideal for this commodity and for landcare. I live in the wheatbelt of WA and we need trees fast...This government is paying people to remove trees...i.e Willows...Whats this state doing? Willows are great for erosion problems in creeks and feed and shade for stock.

                  I think the Jatropha would be excellent here for areas of farmland needing attention. Wouldn't it be great if it grew on salt! We have plenty of that around. I think we could use it to benefit ally farming and organic matter and also shade for stock.

                  They need to get out of there stuffy offices and look around at the devestation of our land thats rapidly appearing and find bio diversity fast! I'm all for it what a great crop...It didn't take the idiots long to bring in GM canola...what a bunch of small minded pen pushers...Get out here and have a look we need this for our future generations sustainability.
                  Why should we plant jatropha in the wheatbelt, when we can plant Mallees? It is Mallee country after all.

                  There is a LOT of money spent trying to solve the problems we have in the wheatbelt. Planting a noxious weed is unlikely to be considered the solution to any of them.

                  Why do people insist on thinking there is only ever one, simple answer, to massively complex problems like the degradation of farming land?

                  Yes, Jatropha can be grown on marginal land. However there isn't much evidence, that I've seen, to suggest it can be grown in a commercially viable way in a country like Australia. Australian farmers don't have the same requirements as poor farmers in India, so you can't assume that a viable crop there will be viable here.

                  Why not fix the degradation, rather than just learning to live with it?
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                  • #24
                    Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                    Im glad your here troy so i dont have to waste my breath with these people that really don't look beyond the surface of the topic of the month. Anybody thats done any real research will know that the cost of harvest for jathropa is prohibitive here and the fact that it has weed like characteristics makes me glad they haven't allowed it here. Look at parramattagrass, fireweed,blackberries, lantana etc etc do we need any more???
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                    • #25
                      Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                      i totally agree. In fact we have articles re that.

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                      thanks.

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                      • #26
                        Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                        I do know that Jatropher oil is inedable and tankeridge would need to be seperate from edible oil feedstocks. You can't put jotropher into tanks meant for Canola / Sunflower oil.

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                        • #27
                          Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                          The problem is one of control, while yes there are many good features with some of these plants the, the prolific nature of some plants (and I am speaking universal) is such that they overwelm the native species and become uncontrolable. If you look at footage of the prickly pear you will see vast areas of land which was inundated.

                          I am a firm believer in Biodiesel but not at any cost, Australia canot be all things to all plants, we need to know where to draw the line and on occassions we may get it wrong, but is better to get it wrong occassionally then like now we have a problem with RATTAIL another introduced species.

                          There are so many other safe species for Australia that need development lets at least exhaust them first.

                          And if these regions like India can do it so well then let them use this and be glade for them.


                          Gene

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                          • #28
                            Re: WA government bans jatropha cultivation

                            I agree with darren leonadas. This type of weed can not lead to a modification of the plant. I work in a science company, and we research this question 4 years ago. we then used Microwave Moisture Sensor for measuring moisture content of grain and how it affected the quality.

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