what is the absolute best car for WVO long distance driving..

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

Hi, I'm a french Canadian that moved to the Philippines.. please forgive me if my English isnt UK perfect....

since i reside in a country where it is 30c + daily.. i figured i can run any diesel car on wvo without any conversion.. i WANTED a 83 mercedes 200D but the AC was broken and so was the lift pump.. so i figured .. i can find better... wanted a toyota Fortuner it is a big suv that runs on diesel... or how about the mercedes smart fortwo cdi... the first model that ever came to Canada.. i heard it was diesel and a buddy of mine drove from Montreal to Florida and spent only 19$ on fuel to warm up the wvo.. but.. alot of Quebecers are full of sh!t.. so im asking some of you slightly more educated than myself for your advise.. i am aware that i will need alot of spare filters ( the kind that have a water separastor) in my car to replace them on the go.. and something called BIO-kleen.. to eliminae growth or stuff.. but with the tempeature here, i can just poor it straight into the fuel tank like mythbusters.. and just go.. driving on deep fried chicken oil (although.. it wont be vegetable oil per say.. it will be used coconut oil and used palm oil)


but i found out that common rail is n bueno for wvo.. and DI is also no good.. leaves me with IDI... and i think they used an old 300D on mythbusters..
it is a 5cyl inline.. IDI i believe.. so.. what year of the 300D is the last IDI ? i want something as recent as possible.. i had to swap the umm cardan in Montreal on a 93 ford probe gt.. the metal stick between transmission and front right wheel... it was so seized it took me 3 days to yank it out.. rust...
merci and thank you...



sooo.. 84 mercedes 300D is the perfect one ??? i want to run my motor to power my AC on boat rides between the 8000 islands of the Philippines.. and not worry about burning expensive petrol



merci and thank you

[Alga Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Alga]

You can do that, Di is fine using WVO, I run a HDJ80 91 landcruiser on WVO and it's Di. But you need a flush tank so at the end of the day you can flush your fuel system with dino and you must make sure you settle and filter the VO before putting it in your tank, you can use cheap shopping bags or old T shirts to do that. Otherwise you will end up with blocked fuel lines, stuffed injectors and ip, irrelevant whether it's iDi or Di. You also have to realise that using VO in your vehicle will result in all the diesel bugs coating the inside of the tanks and lines will be killed and released into the fuel until they are all gone and that can take ages depending on how old the car is. It also means you may go through a few filters pretty quick, most put small cheap inline filters in they can throw away during this period. I installed new long range tanks, so no problems with bugs. I do lots of trips in my cruiser, some over 3000klms each year, which isn't a lot in Aus and the car does it effortlessly.

What you intend doing will work, but it will still be better to flush the engine even with iDi, or you may shorten the life of it with caramelised VO building up in the cylinders. All you need it a small tanks, mine is 2.5lt and it uses 1lt to flush the fuel system and send it back to the tank. Or if the system doesn't have a return to tank for overflow, just switch to dino and le it idle for 5 minutes and that should burn most of the VO out of the fuel.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

sorry.. still catching up here.. i CAN use direct injection.. DI.. and i have to install a secondary tank for this ????im sorry, im trying to have the most piece of mind method possible here.. i will forget.. i know this... will i get caramalized cylinder wall if i start and turn off the motor on only wvo ??? and 1 fuel filter will not last 10,000 km ??? and the only way to flush my system is to switch from wvo to diesel 5 minutes before shutting off the motor ?? i can do that... it will cost extra.. but.. the collant line going into the secondary tank will heat up the wvo.. that is a good thing, i was simply hoping to go as simple as possible and do what they did on mythbusters.. just wvo directly into the fuel tank.. .. ill look around and see if i can find a wvo conversion shop near the capital...

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

sorry, i have another question.. my wheels are always turning in my poutine filled skull.. if im goig to do a wvo conversion .. will that allow me to use a crdi engine(common rail) ???as amazing as those old mercedes are... id rather have something newer... maybe a 2012 Toyota Fortuner, the only reason id pay a high price for an old ironclad benz is because i thought it would just run on wvo without changing a thing...
your input would be amazing big guy...

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

if i will be purchasing a wvo kit for 1 or 2000$ might as well look for the cheapest diesel car.. i found a tata indigo diesel for 1500$... umm indian car... (insert racism here hehe) and since diesel lubricates the engine it should have no problem lasting for another 100,000 km... and if i find a wvo kit... .. it most likely having an electric fuel pump shouldn be an issue..

[fattima Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close fattima]

Not sure what cars are available in Canada. I know the old Ford V8 diesels run OK on WVO. Don't rush into buying a car a do some research, for more modern diesels maybe look at an Elsbett conversion. I run biodiesel not straight WVO so don't have much else to offer.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

im so sorry if i wasnt clear.. i live in Philippines at this moment... and i will not find any US cars here anymore.. even the closest chevy dealer is emptier than paris Hiltons cranium.. and yes i called a car made in India.. a US car.. my compliment to you guys... so in ordr for a CRDI to work with wvo.. i really need elsbett ? i dont want to make biodiesel because that is already removing the "free" factor of this entire venture... .. i still dont know how much the local jolibee will ask me for every 10L of their throw away oil. possibly 100-200 php just for the container.. .. and i have to factor in the expense of the many filters i need to keep in my vehicle to swap them on the go.. and biocide...

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

Hi Corporal Canada,
The problem is that there are not many people willing to experiment on their very expensive common rail engines. The manufacturers go out of their way to discourage the use of biodiesel so will not tell anything about using WVO or biodiesel you can believe.

Are Ssangyongs sold in the Philippines? The Ssangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando all used the IDI 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine into the early 2000's.
I bought a new 2005 Ssangyong Musso with the 5 cylinder 2.9 Mercedes idi diesel that I run a mix of 40% biodiesel, 60% WVO in the winter and 25% biodiesel, 75% WVO in the summer. I have 370,000km on the car and it works fine. It does get down to freezing where I live. I calculate that I spend about 10 cents per litre of fuel. That is a whole lot better than $2.00 a litre.
I suspect that in the Philippines you could mix WVO with 20% to 30% petrol in a car like mine with the Mercedes diesel engine. Fuel for 70% or 80% off is still pretty good.

"Many filters" are not really a concern. I installed a clear see-thru inline filter that I change every two months or as required and I change the main filter once a year. I change the main filter ($20.00) every year "Just in case'

Biocides will be a concern whether you are using biodiesel or WVO- they can both grow lots of things in them.

[fattima Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close fattima]

Sorry I missed the bit about the Philippines. The Mazda WLT engines are an indirect diesel and used in the B2500 and some Mazda vans in the Philippines. I run this engine in my Ford Courier and like Tilly often run a biodiesel and veg oil mix. I tend to run a more conservative blend of about 30% WVO to biodiesel in summer. In winter I run %100 as it gets very cold where I am (-3.5 degrees yesterday when I got up).

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

Hi Corporal Canada,
The problem is that there are not many people willing to experiment on their very expensive common rail engines. The manufacturers go out of their way to discourage the use of biodiesel so will not tell anything about using WVO or biodiesel you can believe.

Are Ssangyongs sold in the Philippines? The Ssangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando all used the IDI 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine into the early 2000's.
I bought a new 2005 Ssangyong Musso with the 5 cylinder 2.9 Mercedes idi diesel that I run a mix of 40% biodiesel, 60% WVO in the winter and 25% biodiesel, 75% WVO in the summer. I have 370,000km on the car and it works fine. It does get down to freezing where I live. I calculate that I spend about 10 cents per litre of fuel. That is a whole lot better than $2.00 a litre.
I suspect that in the Philippines you could mix WVO with 20% to 30% petrol in a car like mine with the Mercedes diesel engine. Fuel for 70% or 80% off is still pretty good.

"Many filters" are not really a concern. I installed a clear see-thru inline filter that I change every two months or as required and I change the main filter once a year. I change the main filter ($20.00) every year "Just in case'

Biocides will be a concern whether you are using biodiesel or WVO- they can both grow lots of things in them.

there is roughly 10 Ssangyongs dealers in this country. 5 of which are on neighbouring islands, i am gussing they use IDI diesel ???.. FYI, i cant exactly afford a brand new car.. which is why i saw that 2012 fortuner for only 5grand and got a hard on...

im sorry .. my question really is.. if i get a wvo kit that allows me to heat up the wvo in my 2nd tank and switch betweern wvo and diesel.. can i safely drive that 2012 fortuner for 5 years without seeing any damage ???? (ie.. caramelization or broken pump.. injectors.. etc.... )

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

Sorry I missed the bit about the Philippines. The Mazda WLT engines are an indirect diesel and used in the B2500 and some Mazda vans in the Philippines. I run this engine in my Ford Courier and like Tilly often run a biodiesel and veg oil mix. I tend to run a more conservative blend of about 30% WVO to biodiesel in summer. In winter I run %100 as it gets very cold where I am (-3.5 degrees yesterday when I got up).

hi, looked it up.. the mazda WLT diesel engine is bolted to 2 cars... Mazda BT-50 and Mazda CX-60
both out of my price range....

by the way.. -3.5 degrees.. is that celcius ??? because that is T-shirt weather for us... .. and since my deployment, it has been a steady 25 to 30 degrees here, CELCIUS...

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

You can do that, Di is fine using WVO, I run a HDJ80 91 landcruiser on WVO and it's Di. But you need a flush tank so at the end of the day you can flush your fuel system with dino and you must make sure you settle and filter the VO before putting it in your tank, you can use cheap shopping bags or old T shirts to do that. Otherwise you will end up with blocked fuel lines, stuffed injectors and ip, irrelevant whether it's iDi or Di. You also have to realise that using VO in your vehicle will result in all the diesel bugs coating the inside of the tanks and lines will be killed and released into the fuel until they are all gone and that can take ages depending on how old the car is. It also means you may go through a few filters pretty quick, most put small cheap inline filters in they can throw away during this period. I installed new long range tanks, so no problems with bugs. I do lots of trips in my cruiser, some over 3000klms each year, which isn't a lot in Aus and the car does it effortlessly.

What you intend doing will work, but it will still be better to flush the engine even with iDi, or you may shorten the life of it with caramelised VO building up in the cylinders. All you need it a small tanks, mine is 2.5lt and it uses 1lt to flush the fuel system and send it back to the tank. Or if the system doesn't have a return to tank for overflow, just switch to dino and le it idle for 5 minutes and that should burn most of the VO out of the fuel.

small question if it isnt a bother.. but seeing as how i am a super cheap b4stard.. the 2012 toyota fortuner and the 1984 meredes 240D are idntical in pricing...

how long can i drive the 240D before problems begin to creep up ??? ie.. caramelization ...from only driving 100 km a week or less
i actually prefer to scoot around on my electric scooter than drive... .. the car is only to go on long distance travels to neighbouring islands or move around during rainy season...

i will post a screenshot of a filter that i will have 10 of inside the vehicle (especially for extended road trips).. naturally i will have something alot beefier as a main filter (TRY to make it permanent... )

basically im trying to stick to my cheap b4stard roots and see if i can stick with a no conversion wvo driving thing.. bugs.. dont care.. typically they should die in the combustion chamber... or get caught up in the or 1 of the many filters... (if 1 filter always gets clogged up.. why not put 2-3 or even 5).. so.. with a good or many filters.. i might save the injectorss.. all thats left to worry about is the caramelization... anyway to avoid that without heating up the oil ?

your thoughts please

[Alga Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Alga]

Myth busters only drove their car a few kilometres, not thousands and they filtered the oil. As others have pointed out, you have to do it properly and doubt anyone would advise you using the car regularly and not flushing the engine. A friend of mine ran his lister generator on straight VO as I do, but I flush my system with either biodiesel or dino, My friend decided the gennie would be ok as it's an iDi engine, but one day a year or so ago he went to start the gennie and it wouldn't turn over, called me and we found no matter what we did it wouldn't urn over. Took the head off and you could see the caramelised VO on the cylinder walls, which has built up after every use until the pistons wouldn't move. That's happens when the hot oil in the cylinders cools and hardens, you can get away with it a couple of times in an iDi engine, but not in a Di engine and know that from experience.

The lister needed a complete rebuild, was expensive and time consuming. You may be a scrooge, but what you're trying to achieve will only really work if you do it properly and where you are, I'd say you don't have to heat your oil to use it. Just have it well filtered and you can do that with those plastic fabric shopping bags and be prepared to change filters regularly and flush your engine. You can use a lawn mower fuel tank, which are cheap or free for your flush tank and it should hold 2lt to be sure. I set my turbo timer to 5 minutes and that's long enough to do the job and uses between 1-1.5lt.

The majority on this forum have been doing this for decades and have experimented with many ideas, now during summer I don't heat my oil and live in a place that gets below zero sometimes, so in winter it's heated. Now with global warming very low temps have been few and far between over the last couple of years, so this winter I'm experimenting with not heating my oil in one vehicle and relying upon the engine heat to thin the oil. So far it's working , but its stopped a few times under load because the oils not thin enough until the engine bay really warms up. Recently got some wild radish oil from a friend who has a seed crusher and that oil is extremely good because it doesn't have the fats food oils have and it's very thin, but it still needs filtering and good engine filters. If you don't do it right, you'll end up with a dead engine quickly, which means your desire to save money will cost you money.

If you read through these threads, especially the older ones you will find a lot of information from those who've done the hard work and if you follow the advise, you'll be able to get good service from your engine and save money.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

thank you, i just cant justify spending 2,000$ us on a wvo convesion kit that only allows me to put 5L in my trunk.. id rather have 50-100L in the boot and just haul ass to the beautiful Cebu and never turn the engine off.. evem a universal 2nd tank kit is 550 Euros or GBP.. i cant justify that... i honestly never had 1 car for more than 5 years... the French Canadian in me is always hearing Scotty in the back seat telling me that hes given her all hes got.. and FYI scotty was played by James Doohan i believe, another Canadian... so ill push my 4 wheel vehicle to places that it shouldnt ho.. even gone up a mountain in a rental Wigo.. kept going up until the bushes covered the entire road and i almost went over a landslide area.. (probably due to that horrific typhoon in the area 10 years ago.. Yolanda i believe it was called..

so.. caramelized cylinder after 1 day only ? oof, no bueno... cant i just make my own wvo kit ? i just need a 50L plastic or aluminium container in the boot.. put an oil heater in there and pass the engine coolant through it..... i apologize if im over simplifying this process...

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

Carmelization is the oxidation of sugar. Most Vegetable oils contain no sugar.
I think the word you want is polymerization.