what is the absolute best car for WVO long distance driving..

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

Carmelization is the oxidation of sugar. Most Vegetable oils contain no sugar.
I think the word you want is polymerization.

wow, thank.. i jammed THAT into my celine dion obsessed brain

is there a way to avoid that without a wvo conversion kit ???

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

I have never had a problem with Polymerization.
I started out over 20 years ago using low conversion biodiesel. Over that time I have slowly change to what I now use which is a mixture of biodiesel and WVO as stated in my post above. The only change I have ever made to my vehicles is to install a clear plastic see-thru inline filter in the fuel line before the main filter.
Everything else is stock standard and there are no special procedures required for someone to use my vehicle. I just pour my fuel mix in and go.
Cost is around 10 cents per litre.
As I tell people, I use about 35 litres of fuel a week. If I were to buy that at the bowser it would cost me about $70. Using boiodiesel/ WVO mix it cost me about $3.50 a week. For the convenience of just driving the vehicle like a normal vehicle, I can afford the $3.50 per week

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

okay, you mix, that is fine, i can do that...is this the best way to stick with a 1 tank system ?

only works on the old mercedes or ANY crdi ?i mean... mixing wvo and diesel

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

The concern is that most diesel fuel injection systems are made to operate with a fuel having a viscosity around that of petro-diesel. Biodiesel comes close to the viscosity of petro-diesel and most, but not all, InDirect Injetion diesels (IDI) will run on biodiesel without harm. Apparently some Injector pumps are very delicate and can be harmed even using biodiesel.

There are no diesel engines that I am aware of that are happy to use Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) Either Waste oil or New oil without lowering its viscosity first.

There are two main ways to lower the viscosity of vegetable oil. One is to heat the oil before using it and the other is to mix the oil with a thinner such as petrol, diesel, kerosene, biodiesel etc. Typically this will not lower the viscosity as much as making biodiesel, but a lot of diesel engines are happy to use it. Some engines will not be happy with this and they may break the injector pump.

The only way that I know of to have a single tank system is to either make biodiesel or use a thinner with the oil.

Common Rail engines are mostly an unknown because very few people have been willing to experiment on their very expensive diesel engine because they might break it.
I can not tell you what might happen if you use biodiesel or thinned oil in a common rail diesel. If you experiment please let us know what happens.
I think Tony from WA on this forum is using thinned WVO in his Common-rail Toyota so you might ask him.

Be aware that while as far as I know, all common-rail diesel engines are direct injection, not all direct injection diesel engines are common rail.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

wow, thank you for the honest warning..im not sure you are aware but the toyota yaris (called vios here in asia) first came out with the D4D engine.. diesel.. and what a great car my 2009 yaris was back in Quebec... so if i could use THAT with free fuel or 50/50 free fuel... i imagine i wont be cursing out the devil each time i need to swap out the rusted seized ball joint... i see alot of that happening with the museum mercedes... yes mercedes good, but it is still 50 yrs old... i need a conversion kit dont i ???

as for making my own biodiesel, i dont have the smarts for that....
but.. i coud have the wvo heated up inside the diesel car.. like half a wvo conversion kit.. just put a longer coolant line and heat up the diesel tank..

[Tony From West Oz Vice Chairperson of WARFA Find all posts View Profile Close Tony From West Oz]

Tilly,
My Toyota both have IDI diesel engines:
2004 Prado
2001 HiLux

In regard to Corporal Canada's question:

Do NOT use straight veggie oil in a DIRECT INJECTION diesel unless you purge the fuel injection system with Diesel EVERY TIME you stop the engine when running on cooking oil!
This can cause injector orifices to become blocked, resulting in poor spray patterns and resulting in veggie oil being sprayed onto the cylinder walls. This will need an engine overhaul if it occurs!

You would be better advised to buy a Mercedes 240D or 300D, or a Musso 290D vehicle.

If your oil goes cloudy in storage, you will need to add a heater to melt any solidified oil. The easiest way to do this is to get 2 copper pipes. One to match the inside of the coolant hoses going to the cabin heater, the other to match the fuel line going to the fuel filter. These are soldered / brazed together to transfer heat from the engine coolant to the fuel. This should be located in the fuel line, between the fuel tank and the fuel filter. This will allow "cloudy vegetable oil fuels" to be used.
This will not allow the use of solid fats, as that would require heating the whole fuel system.

I am happy to respond to your subsequent questions.
Tony from West OZ

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

wow thanks mate, i never saw or thought about the Musso 290D.. only 3000$cad....
seems everything is pointing towareds getting a 2 tank wvo conversion kit, im just trying to find other possible venues...

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

wow thanks mate, i never saw or thought about the Musso 290D.. only 3000$cad....

In my first post to you in this thread I said, "Are Ssangyongs sold in the Philippines? The Ssangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando all used the IDI 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine into the early 2000's."

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

im sorry i thought i mentioned that i found 5-10 SSangyong dealers in this country, i wasnt told to look for any specific model.. which year and model would you recommend i keep an eye out for ???
can i assume the fuel pump is not mechanical ??? that there is kind of a cornrstone of that model mercedes... , it seems however that regardless of what diesel car i get, i gave to get a 2nd tank wvo conversion kit due to caramelization or whatever is the technical term for it... so if i have to heat up the wvo regardless, might as well look at a simple sturdy toyota vios (yaris) which first came out with the D4D diesel engine in Asia, you will notice that the fuel filler hole in the fuel tank allows for a diesel nozzle to fit in and hat is how my ex wife ruined her 2010 Yaris back in Montreal.... well not ruined but she did drive 10 minutes with that stuff in there... and the toyota dealer was asking her 1300$cad to replace everything.. including the fuel injectors... my mechanic did it for 200$, God i love Germans....

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

The SSangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando up to early to mid 2000's all came with the 5 cylinder 2.9 litre IDI Mercedes diesel engine. This is the diesel engine with the mechanical inline fuel pump which is the gold standard engine for using alternate fuel and is the same engine as used in the Mercedes 300D.
Later models had a computer controlled automatic transmission and EGR.

In some countries they did use a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine with the inline injector pump.

Before about 2000 they did not have a turbo and did not have computer control on any of the engine or transmission.
Older Musso's were SUV's instead of a Pickup but with the same engines.

They might also be called Mercedes or Daewoo instead of Ssangyong

They also did come with a Mercedes petrol engine

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

well the entire reason im here is to NOT touch gasoline ever.. and FYI Philippines now buys oil from Canada and price per liter is climbing from 50 php to 100 php, i believe ive seen 70 php near the capital... i will look for the ssangyong rexton.. it looks good.. and with a lift pump, ohw can i go wrong ???do i need a wvo conversion kit if i pour 10 L of wvo for every 20L of diesel ???or same fate ?? caramelization... this thing just has to last me 5 solid years and i will get a stupid Canadian electric car.. YES i mean the damn tesla...

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

You should not need a conversion kit if you use 2 parts diesel mixed with 1parts WVO. All you should need to do is filter the mix and put it in your car. You should be able to mix 3 parts WVO with 2 parts diesel and be good to go without a conversion kit.

Be aware that around 2003 or 2004 the Rexton did change from the 2.9 In Direct Injection Mercedes diesel to a 2.7litre Direct Injection Mercedes diesel engine. You need to make sure you do not buy the 2.7 Direct injection engine.

I bought my Musso new about 19 years ago and have not had any problem.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

PERFECT... im aware i should look for a 2000 rexton or musso, as a city boy i never had a big suv...

just to be perfectly clear.. if i filter the use cooking oil throug a 400 mesh and maybe a tshirt for good measure... .. i can put 10L of THAT into the only fuel tank tht i have inside the ssangyong.. IF there is 20L of petrol station diesel in the exact same tank... .. no heating.. nothing.. no relay to switch from 1 source tank to another ? do i need additives ? any kind of biocide ? nothing?
question is the fuel tank in a ssangyong at least 30L ???

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

PERFECT... im aware i should look for a 2000 rexton or musso, as a city boy i never had a big suv...

You shoud be looking for a Rexton or Muso with the 2.9 litre Mercedes diesel engines. These were built for a number of years before and after 2000.

just to be perfectly clear.. if i filter the use cooking oil throug a 400 mesh and maybe a tshirt for good measure... .. i can put 10L of THAT into the only fuel tank tht i have inside the ssangyong.. IF there is 20L of petrol station diesel in the exact same tank... .. no heating.. nothing.. no relay to switch from 1 source tank to another ? do i need additives ? any kind of biocide ? nothing?
question is the fuel tank in a ssangyong at least 30L ???

I would do the mixing outside the tank. You do not necessarily get thorough mixing in the tank. If you use 40% petro diesel and 60% WVO you can just pour the fuel mixture in and go as if you were using petro diesel. No switches, not heating, no nothing.
I do not use biocide. My first problem with things growing in my tank happened last year, about 17 years into using biofuels in this vehicle.
The fuel tank in the Musso is around 65 litres.

[Corporal_Canada Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Corporal_Canada]

tbh, im fond of the rexton, being a cityboy i never had a big suv... soo.. 2000 ssanyong rexton is my goal. they go for 200,000 php near the capital.... hard to say exact exchange rate since eveything in north america is sinking but that used to be 4000$cad

however, if you think the musso is the sweetspot, ill stick to that..