what is the absolute best car for WVO long distance driving..

[tillyfromparadise]

The concern is that most diesel fuel injection systems are made to operate with a fuel having a viscosity around that of petro-diesel. Biodiesel comes close to the viscosity of petro-diesel and most, but not all, InDirect Injetion diesels (IDI) will run on biodiesel without harm. Apparently some Injector pumps are very delicate and can be harmed even using biodiesel.

There are no diesel engines that I am aware of that are happy to use Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) Either Waste oil or New oil without lowering its viscosity first.

There are two main ways to lower the viscosity of vegetable oil. One is to heat the oil before using it and the other is to mix the oil with a thinner such as petrol, diesel, kerosene, biodiesel etc. Typically this will not lower the viscosity as much as making biodiesel, but a lot of diesel engines are happy to use it. Some engines will not be happy with this and they may break the injector pump.

The only way that I know of to have a single tank system is to either make biodiesel or use a thinner with the oil.

Common Rail engines are mostly an unknown because very few people have been willing to experiment on their very expensive diesel engine because they might break it.
I can not tell you what might happen if you use biodiesel or thinned oil in a common rail diesel. If you experiment please let us know what happens.
I think Tony from WA on this forum is using thinned WVO in his Common-rail Toyota so you might ask him.

Be aware that while as far as I know, all common-rail diesel engines are direct injection, not all direct injection diesel engines are common rail.

[Corporal_Canada]

okay, you mix, that is fine, i can do that...is this the best way to stick with a 1 tank system ?

only works on the old mercedes or ANY crdi ?i mean... mixing wvo and diesel

[tillyfromparadise]

I have never had a problem with Polymerization.
I started out over 20 years ago using low conversion biodiesel. Over that time I have slowly change to what I now use which is a mixture of biodiesel and WVO as stated in my post above. The only change I have ever made to my vehicles is to install a clear plastic see-thru inline filter in the fuel line before the main filter.
Everything else is stock standard and there are no special procedures required for someone to use my vehicle. I just pour my fuel mix in and go.
Cost is around 10 cents per litre.
As I tell people, I use about 35 litres of fuel a week. If I were to buy that at the bowser it would cost me about $70. Using boiodiesel/ WVO mix it cost me about $3.50 a week. For the convenience of just driving the vehicle like a normal vehicle, I can afford the $3.50 per week

[Corporal_Canada]

Carmelization is the oxidation of sugar. Most Vegetable oils contain no sugar.
I think the word you want is polymerization.

wow, thank.. i jammed THAT into my celine dion obsessed brain

is there a way to avoid that without a wvo conversion kit ???

[tillyfromparadise]

Carmelization is the oxidation of sugar. Most Vegetable oils contain no sugar.
I think the word you want is polymerization.

[Corporal_Canada]

thank you, i just cant justify spending 2,000$ us on a wvo convesion kit that only allows me to put 5L in my trunk.. id rather have 50-100L in the boot and just haul ass to the beautiful Cebu and never turn the engine off.. evem a universal 2nd tank kit is 550 Euros or GBP.. i cant justify that... i honestly never had 1 car for more than 5 years... the French Canadian in me is always hearing Scotty in the back seat telling me that hes given her all hes got.. and FYI scotty was played by James Doohan i believe, another Canadian... so ill push my 4 wheel vehicle to places that it shouldnt ho.. even gone up a mountain in a rental Wigo.. kept going up until the bushes covered the entire road and i almost went over a landslide area.. (probably due to that horrific typhoon in the area 10 years ago.. Yolanda i believe it was called..

so.. caramelized cylinder after 1 day only ? oof, no bueno... cant i just make my own wvo kit ? i just need a 50L plastic or aluminium container in the boot.. put an oil heater in there and pass the engine coolant through it..... i apologize if im over simplifying this process...

[Alga]

Myth busters only drove their car a few kilometres, not thousands and they filtered the oil. As others have pointed out, you have to do it properly and doubt anyone would advise you using the car regularly and not flushing the engine. A friend of mine ran his lister generator on straight VO as I do, but I flush my system with either biodiesel or dino, My friend decided the gennie would be ok as it's an iDi engine, but one day a year or so ago he went to start the gennie and it wouldn't turn over, called me and we found no matter what we did it wouldn't urn over. Took the head off and you could see the caramelised VO on the cylinder walls, which has built up after every use until the pistons wouldn't move. That's happens when the hot oil in the cylinders cools and hardens, you can get away with it a couple of times in an iDi engine, but not in a Di engine and know that from experience.

The lister needed a complete rebuild, was expensive and time consuming. You may be a scrooge, but what you're trying to achieve will only really work if you do it properly and where you are, I'd say you don't have to heat your oil to use it. Just have it well filtered and you can do that with those plastic fabric shopping bags and be prepared to change filters regularly and flush your engine. You can use a lawn mower fuel tank, which are cheap or free for your flush tank and it should hold 2lt to be sure. I set my turbo timer to 5 minutes and that's long enough to do the job and uses between 1-1.5lt.

The majority on this forum have been doing this for decades and have experimented with many ideas, now during summer I don't heat my oil and live in a place that gets below zero sometimes, so in winter it's heated. Now with global warming very low temps have been few and far between over the last couple of years, so this winter I'm experimenting with not heating my oil in one vehicle and relying upon the engine heat to thin the oil. So far it's working , but its stopped a few times under load because the oils not thin enough until the engine bay really warms up. Recently got some wild radish oil from a friend who has a seed crusher and that oil is extremely good because it doesn't have the fats food oils have and it's very thin, but it still needs filtering and good engine filters. If you don't do it right, you'll end up with a dead engine quickly, which means your desire to save money will cost you money.

If you read through these threads, especially the older ones you will find a lot of information from those who've done the hard work and if you follow the advise, you'll be able to get good service from your engine and save money.

[Corporal_Canada]

You can do that, Di is fine using WVO, I run a HDJ80 91 landcruiser on WVO and it's Di. But you need a flush tank so at the end of the day you can flush your fuel system with dino and you must make sure you settle and filter the VO before putting it in your tank, you can use cheap shopping bags or old T shirts to do that. Otherwise you will end up with blocked fuel lines, stuffed injectors and ip, irrelevant whether it's iDi or Di. You also have to realise that using VO in your vehicle will result in all the diesel bugs coating the inside of the tanks and lines will be killed and released into the fuel until they are all gone and that can take ages depending on how old the car is. It also means you may go through a few filters pretty quick, most put small cheap inline filters in they can throw away during this period. I installed new long range tanks, so no problems with bugs. I do lots of trips in my cruiser, some over 3000klms each year, which isn't a lot in Aus and the car does it effortlessly.

What you intend doing will work, but it will still be better to flush the engine even with iDi, or you may shorten the life of it with caramelised VO building up in the cylinders. All you need it a small tanks, mine is 2.5lt and it uses 1lt to flush the fuel system and send it back to the tank. Or if the system doesn't have a return to tank for overflow, just switch to dino and le it idle for 5 minutes and that should burn most of the VO out of the fuel.

small question if it isnt a bother.. but seeing as how i am a super cheap b4stard.. the 2012 toyota fortuner and the 1984 meredes 240D are idntical in pricing...

how long can i drive the 240D before problems begin to creep up ??? ie.. caramelization ...from only driving 100 km a week or less
i actually prefer to scoot around on my electric scooter than drive... .. the car is only to go on long distance travels to neighbouring islands or move around during rainy season...

i will post a screenshot of a filter that i will have 10 of inside the vehicle (especially for extended road trips).. naturally i will have something alot beefier as a main filter (TRY to make it permanent... )

basically im trying to stick to my cheap b4stard roots and see if i can stick with a no conversion wvo driving thing.. bugs.. dont care.. typically they should die in the combustion chamber... or get caught up in the or 1 of the many filters... (if 1 filter always gets clogged up.. why not put 2-3 or even 5).. so.. with a good or many filters.. i might save the injectorss.. all thats left to worry about is the caramelization... anyway to avoid that without heating up the oil ?

your thoughts please

[Corporal_Canada]

Sorry I missed the bit about the Philippines. The Mazda WLT engines are an indirect diesel and used in the B2500 and some Mazda vans in the Philippines. I run this engine in my Ford Courier and like Tilly often run a biodiesel and veg oil mix. I tend to run a more conservative blend of about 30% WVO to biodiesel in summer. In winter I run %100 as it gets very cold where I am (-3.5 degrees yesterday when I got up).

hi, looked it up.. the mazda WLT diesel engine is bolted to 2 cars... Mazda BT-50 and Mazda CX-60
both out of my price range....

by the way.. -3.5 degrees.. is that celcius ??? because that is T-shirt weather for us... .. and since my deployment, it has been a steady 25 to 30 degrees here, CELCIUS...

[Corporal_Canada]

Hi Corporal Canada,
The problem is that there are not many people willing to experiment on their very expensive common rail engines. The manufacturers go out of their way to discourage the use of biodiesel so will not tell anything about using WVO or biodiesel you can believe.

Are Ssangyongs sold in the Philippines? The Ssangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando all used the IDI 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine into the early 2000's.
I bought a new 2005 Ssangyong Musso with the 5 cylinder 2.9 Mercedes idi diesel that I run a mix of 40% biodiesel, 60% WVO in the winter and 25% biodiesel, 75% WVO in the summer. I have 370,000km on the car and it works fine. It does get down to freezing where I live. I calculate that I spend about 10 cents per litre of fuel. That is a whole lot better than $2.00 a litre.
I suspect that in the Philippines you could mix WVO with 20% to 30% petrol in a car like mine with the Mercedes diesel engine. Fuel for 70% or 80% off is still pretty good.

"Many filters" are not really a concern. I installed a clear see-thru inline filter that I change every two months or as required and I change the main filter once a year. I change the main filter ($20.00) every year "Just in case'

Biocides will be a concern whether you are using biodiesel or WVO- they can both grow lots of things in them.

there is roughly 10 Ssangyongs dealers in this country. 5 of which are on neighbouring islands, i am gussing they use IDI diesel ???.. FYI, i cant exactly afford a brand new car.. which is why i saw that 2012 fortuner for only 5grand and got a hard on...

im sorry .. my question really is.. if i get a wvo kit that allows me to heat up the wvo in my 2nd tank and switch betweern wvo and diesel.. can i safely drive that 2012 fortuner for 5 years without seeing any damage ???? (ie.. caramelization or broken pump.. injectors.. etc.... )

[fattima]

Sorry I missed the bit about the Philippines. The Mazda WLT engines are an indirect diesel and used in the B2500 and some Mazda vans in the Philippines. I run this engine in my Ford Courier and like Tilly often run a biodiesel and veg oil mix. I tend to run a more conservative blend of about 30% WVO to biodiesel in summer. In winter I run %100 as it gets very cold where I am (-3.5 degrees yesterday when I got up).

[tillyfromparadise]

Hi Corporal Canada,
The problem is that there are not many people willing to experiment on their very expensive common rail engines. The manufacturers go out of their way to discourage the use of biodiesel so will not tell anything about using WVO or biodiesel you can believe.

Are Ssangyongs sold in the Philippines? The Ssangyong Musso, Rexton and Korando all used the IDI 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel engine into the early 2000's.
I bought a new 2005 Ssangyong Musso with the 5 cylinder 2.9 Mercedes idi diesel that I run a mix of 40% biodiesel, 60% WVO in the winter and 25% biodiesel, 75% WVO in the summer. I have 370,000km on the car and it works fine. It does get down to freezing where I live. I calculate that I spend about 10 cents per litre of fuel. That is a whole lot better than $2.00 a litre.
I suspect that in the Philippines you could mix WVO with 20% to 30% petrol in a car like mine with the Mercedes diesel engine. Fuel for 70% or 80% off is still pretty good.

"Many filters" are not really a concern. I installed a clear see-thru inline filter that I change every two months or as required and I change the main filter once a year. I change the main filter ($20.00) every year "Just in case'

Biocides will be a concern whether you are using biodiesel or WVO- they can both grow lots of things in them.

[Corporal_Canada]

im so sorry if i wasnt clear.. i live in Philippines at this moment... and i will not find any US cars here anymore.. even the closest chevy dealer is emptier than paris Hiltons cranium.. and yes i called a car made in India.. a US car.. my compliment to you guys... so in ordr for a CRDI to work with wvo.. i really need elsbett ? i dont want to make biodiesel because that is already removing the "free" factor of this entire venture... .. i still dont know how much the local jolibee will ask me for every 10L of their throw away oil. possibly 100-200 php just for the container.. .. and i have to factor in the expense of the many filters i need to keep in my vehicle to swap them on the go.. and biocide...

[fattima]

Not sure what cars are available in Canada. I know the old Ford V8 diesels run OK on WVO. Don't rush into buying a car a do some research, for more modern diesels maybe look at an Elsbett conversion. I run biodiesel not straight WVO so don't have much else to offer.

[Corporal_Canada]

if i will be purchasing a wvo kit for 1 or 2000$ might as well look for the cheapest diesel car.. i found a tata indigo diesel for 1500$... umm indian car... (insert racism here hehe) and since diesel lubricates the engine it should have no problem lasting for another 100,000 km... and if i find a wvo kit... .. it most likely having an electric fuel pump shouldn be an issue..