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    Timing on Mercedes engine

    My W201 190D Merc is running well on high melting point vege oil with a touch of petrol, but it is pretty gutless. The Jackaroo would drag it off no problem. How can I advance the timing a little? Which way do I rotate the IP and how much?
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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnojack View Post
    My W201 190D Merc is running well on high melting point vege oil with a touch of petrol, but it is pretty gutless. The Jackaroo would drag it off no problem. How can I advance the timing a little? Which way do I rotate the IP and how much?
    Johnnojack. The IP rotates in the same direction as the crankshaft. (Clockwise), so you should adjust the IP in an anticlockwise direction to advance injection (top of IP moves closer to block).
    Each degree of rotation is 2 degrees at the crankshaft, so adjust in small increments. Leaving the injector hard lines tight will limit the rotation of the IP.
    You already know to mark the starting position of the IP, so you can return to there if it does not go well.
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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Johnno, I think gutlessness may be standard issue for naturally aspirated Mercedes diesels of this era.

    Definitely worth a shot at advancing the timing though as Tony described.

    I will be keen to hear how you go as I think I need to do the same to my W123 as it is very hard to start and blows a lot of smoke on startup since I installed a new turbo IP.
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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    1965 Mercedes-Benz 190 D (man. 4) (model for North America U.S.) car specifications & performance data review


    Specs datasheet with technical data and performance data plus an analysis of the direct market competition of Mercedes-Benz 190 D (man. 4) in 1965, the model with 4-door sedan body and Line-4 1988 cm3 / 121.6 cui engine size, 45 kW / 61 PS / 60 hp (SAE) for North America U.S.. Specifications listing with the outside and inside dimensions, fuel economy, top speed, performance factory data and ProfessCars™
    estimation: this Mercedes-Benz would accelerate 0-60 mph in 26.4 sec, 0-100 km/h in 29.5 sec and quarter mile time is 23.1 sec.


    https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...enz_190_d.html


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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    And that is when it was new and running perfectly.....
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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Fortunately that is not my engine, mine is a 1986 model 2.5litre 5 cylinder with a massive 50% more power, a whopping 66kw.
    Johnnojack
    4WD Isuzu Jackaroo 3.1 190000km on WVO,(2019) 2 tank home built system 6 solenoids heated filter, fuel line and tank pickup for thicker oil. Mk. 9 version now and no changes planned
    Mercedes W201 190D 1986 model: no fuel mods except bigger fuel line from tank, running blend of 90% oil 10% petrol 11000km to date. Motor purrs but car has electrical gremlins

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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Tilly, That was the "Roundie", not the W201 series. I do not believe it was offered in the USA (with their penchant for acceleration and speed.
    Heck, even the W123 300D got a turbo in USA. Not for Oz though.



    Quote Originally Posted by tillyfromparadise View Post
    1965 Mercedes-Benz 190 D (man. 4) (model for North America U.S.) car specifications & performance data review


    Specs datasheet with technical data and performance data plus an analysis of the direct market competition of Mercedes-Benz 190 D (man. 4) in 1965, the model with 4-door sedan body and Line-4 1988 cm3 / 121.6 cui engine size, 45 kW / 61 PS / 60 hp (SAE) for North America U.S.. Specifications listing with the outside and inside dimensions, fuel economy, top speed, performance factory data and ProfessCars™
    estimation: this Mercedes-Benz would accelerate 0-60 mph in 26.4 sec, 0-100 km/h in 29.5 sec and quarter mile time is 23.1 sec.


    https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...enz_190_d.html


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    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
    Parts Car C220 1993 SOLD.
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel. [Head gasket blew!]


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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Hi Tony,

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony From West Oz View Post
    Tilly, That was the "Roundie", not the W201 series. I do not believe it was offered in the USA (with their penchant for acceleration and speed.
    Heck, even the W123 300D got a turbo in USA. Not for Oz though.
    I see.
    So you think that the 190 I linked to was actually much speedier than the 190 sold in Australia.
    0- 100 in under 30 seconds is pretty good

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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    Quote Originally Posted by tillyfromparadise View Post
    Hi Tony,

    I see.
    So you think that the 190 I linked to was actually much speedier than the 190 sold in Australia.
    0- 100 in under 30 seconds is pretty good
    Tilly, I was mainly commenting on the year of the one you gave the 0-60 time for.
    Yes, those numbers are pretty good for a 1965 car, especially for a diesel.
    Makes you think if the numbers are correct.....
    Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

    Current Vehicles in stable:
    2000 Ford Courier Crew Cab 2.5L Turbodiesel on Blended veggie oil.
    '2014 Toyota Prius (on ULP)


    Previous Vehicles:
    '90 Mazda Capella. (2000 - 2003) My first Fatmobile. Converted to fun on veggie oil with a 2 tank setup. Died when supercharger stuck at max boost for weeks. Stretched head bolts.
    '80 Mercedes 300D. 2 tank conversion [Sold]
    '84 Mercedes 300D. 1 tank, no conversion. Replaced engine with rebuilt OM617A turbodiesel engine. Finally had good power. Donor for current Fatmobile coupe. (body parted out and carcass sold for scrap.)
    '99 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car)[sold]
    '98 Mercedes W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car)[sold]
    Parts Car C220 1993 SOLD.
    '85 Mercedes Benz W123 300CD Turbodiesel single tank using 95% used cooking oil and 5% to 10% misfuel (where someone had filled diesel vehicle with petrol).
    '06 Musso Sports Crew Cab. Running on used cooking oil with 5% to 10% misfuel. [Head gasket blew!]


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    Re: Timing on Mercedes engine

    The Musso 2.9TD 0- 100kph with manual transmission is 16.9 seconds and the Automatic is 19.7 seconds
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