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  1. #51
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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    What if you used an old radiator with a 12v fan behind it and cycle the fuel trough it. I know it's more hardware and power consumption, but if you had a 12v pump as well, you could throw a couple of solar panels on your roof and let it do its thing.
    I bought an oil cooling system fairly cheap if eBay to cool my water for meth recovery and that seems to work pretty well.

    You did say you're going HiTech
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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Thats actually a pretty good idea. I think I have everything I need. As for solar, I'm pretty sure I have that licked. my existing 14 kW system should be able to handle that!!

    as for hi tec, well I have progressed beyond the days of mixing with a drill and a bent bit of reo!.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2006 Landcruiser HDJ100 (1HD-FTE) 20,000 on bio
    2006 Ford Courier(WLT Motor), 10,000 on bio
    2002 Landcruiser HZJ105r (1HZ motor) 250,000 on bio (sold)
    2006 Mazda B2500 (WLT motor) 80,000 on bio (sold)



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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Quote Originally Posted by tillyfromparadise View Post
    Hi Dgs,


    No.
    Thank you so much John for your two letter explanation of this. I realise now it is 2 litres of biodiesel per one litre of soap.

    Have no fear that I will not hesitate to contact you if I need further assistance.

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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    So I have done another couple of batches now, and they have been quite the success.

    On the last one I noted a definite reduction in by-product. probably in the order of 8-10 L out of a normal 45-50 Litres or so.

    I do the pre-wash as described prior (i can only get in 10 litres of water as my mixer overflows otherwise), let that settle for maybe 30 mins, tap off the by -product and wash water, then spray in about another 10 Litres and let that settle for about 30 mins, then tap off the wash water and turn heater on to get it up to 100 degrees.

    Let it cool and tap off the drop out. Then turn the heater back on again in a couple of days to get it back to 100 degrees. let it cool again and this time I have good clear fuel with a pass on water content.

    I now have an old radiator to use for quick cooling, so that is the next bio project.

    You know I have made many hundreds of batches and constantly made improvements over the course of doing this for 15 years. its very exciting and refreshing to learn a new process after this time.

    It works great for me, and so far I see there is absolutely no need to bubble wash. heating is definitely the way to go.

    I know that there is lots of people who have always washed (and have been doing so for years) that probably scoff at me not washing for that length of time, but in years gone by I could store enough fuel and let it 'wash itself' well in front of my uses. I now have 2 cars on bio full time, so that option has gone. I also thought the idea of running a bubbler for days at a time in a shed full of fuel and other very flammable products was less than ideal.

    Thankyou one and all, particularly Tilly.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2006 Landcruiser HDJ100 (1HD-FTE) 20,000 on bio
    2006 Ford Courier(WLT Motor), 10,000 on bio
    2002 Landcruiser HZJ105r (1HZ motor) 250,000 on bio (sold)
    2006 Mazda B2500 (WLT motor) 80,000 on bio (sold)



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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    So I knocked up a rough radiator fan setup this arvo, I think it’s gunna work a treat. Click image for larger version. 

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    Zero cost. All made from scrap in my shed. Just need to make a simple stand and plumb it in.

    Thanks for the the good idea Jens.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2006 Landcruiser HDJ100 (1HD-FTE) 20,000 on bio
    2006 Ford Courier(WLT Motor), 10,000 on bio
    2002 Landcruiser HZJ105r (1HZ motor) 250,000 on bio (sold)
    2006 Mazda B2500 (WLT motor) 80,000 on bio (sold)



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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Well I managed it, and I am a happy little chappy. The radiator concept worked a treat. Saturday I plumbed up my radiator and the wash water sprayer with the flow meter / controller. Sunday morning about 7am I pumped 200 litres of cold oil into the brewer. got the batch heated and meth mixing in by 9am. prewash went in at 10am. drained off wash water around 10.45. kicked on flow meter and put in 8L. I thought I would just try a lighter wash, I will try using more water and review results in successive batches. gave it another 20 mins to settle out and tapped off the wash water. turned heater on and got it back 100 degrees. took about an hour I guess, I didnt take note of the time. now I pumped it through the radiator, and it only took 40 mins to drop the temp back to about 40 degrees. tapped off a bit more drop out. heated it back again to 100 degrees, this time it took a little longer of course as it was cooler. the temperature differential across the radiator inlet / vs outlet was a constant 15 degrees. very happy with the performance of it. cooled it down again with the radiator. tapped off a little more ugly stuff. by about 5:30pm I had the fuel washed, dried and out of the mixer, and pumped into my refueling IBC.

    it passed the water test with flying colours, not even the slightest hint of water.

    I must say that I am absolutley stoked with the result. I couldnt have done it without the encouragement and support of this forum. Thankyou.

    I am interested to hear what volume / proportion of wash water everyone uses? I am not talking pre wash (I cannot get 12L in the brewer without over topping - about 8L is as far as I can go), I am talking a post wash volume. After the glycerine is dropped out I have plenty of room in the brewer for wash water.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2006 Landcruiser HDJ100 (1HD-FTE) 20,000 on bio
    2006 Ford Courier(WLT Motor), 10,000 on bio
    2002 Landcruiser HZJ105r (1HZ motor) 250,000 on bio (sold)
    2006 Mazda B2500 (WLT motor) 80,000 on bio (sold)



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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Fantastic Cade.
    That's a lot of setup for a small test batch < Wink Wink.

    Now you need to draw up plans , make an eBook and list for sale for $4.99 on ebay and start getting your money back.
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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    I like the way you think mate, but that would ruin my strategic advantage......

    Whilst its all going well at the moment, I have developed a leak in my bund, which is somewhat problematic to resolve. its pretty hard to get sealants to stick to concrete blocks that are soaked in BD and waste oil. hmmm. Me thinks a massive cleanup effort is required. not looking forward to that one. that will be a complete dissasembly of the setup.
    Regards,

    Cade.

    2006 Landcruiser HDJ100 (1HD-FTE) 20,000 on bio
    2006 Ford Courier(WLT Motor), 10,000 on bio
    2002 Landcruiser HZJ105r (1HZ motor) 250,000 on bio (sold)
    2006 Mazda B2500 (WLT motor) 80,000 on bio (sold)



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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Happy to hear that it is all going well, can't wait to see the set up!
    1990 Toyota Hilux LN106 with ATG 2 tank system (sold after running 150.000 ks on mainly WVO)
    1993 Toyota 75 Series with 1 HDT conversion, 75l factory tank and a custom 170l under tray tank.
    Lots of K's on BIO and on WVO

    "him who never made a mistake, made no discovery either"


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    Re: My first wash. AARGGHH

    Quote Originally Posted by Captaincademan View Post
    I like the way you think mate, but that would ruin my strategic advantage......

    Whilst its all going well at the moment, I have developed a leak in my bund, which is somewhat problematic to resolve. its pretty hard to get sealants to stick to concrete blocks that are soaked in BD and waste oil. hmmm. Me thinks a massive cleanup effort is required. not looking forward to that one. that will be a complete dissasembly of the setup.
    Can you get a liner for your bund?
    If you need to take the setup down, it would be a good opportunity to make your bund a whole lot better.
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