The Fitch Catalyst - Genuine Improvement or Fake Hype?

[tillyfromparadise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tillyfromparadise]

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hallelujah brother !!!

[Captain Echidna Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Echidna]

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Remember if you come from a north american country, perhaps one just south of canada, I am sure science is not compulsory from about year 8, which is why some thing that sell well there just dont seem to go as well here.

Sorry been on holiday
Ok I did a look, and I was wrong about science education to year 8 (or was right a long time go), and apologise to anyone offended.
Mind you I did find this, Science education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which states "In addition, the process of science, including such elements as the scientific method and critical thinking, is often overlooked" (In many Amercan States), I wonder if "the scientific method" as well as "critical thinking" are inportant skills when considering purchasing these types of products?

[chansen Biofuels Forum Newbie Find all posts View Profile Close chansen]

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It's very interesting how some of you are reading a negative into this article when in fact it is very positive and supports the validity of the Fitch product.

What sort of alternate universe do you live in where an order to remove unsubstantiated advertising is seen as supporting the validity of a product?

The only difference between Fitch and the others, is Fitch is more careful about the claims they make.

Fitch still had unsubstantiated claims forcibly removed from their marketing.

After all these years, Fitch still hasn't substantiated claims of even a 5% fuel savings. Not even 5%.

Congratulations, Fitch, on carefully wording your advertising to avoid having your worthless products removed from the NSW market.

[chansen Biofuels Forum Newbie Find all posts View Profile Close chansen]

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Oh, I've been following this thread by email subscription since 2006 - since Leongster popped up in a Nissan forum with anecdotes about his uncle, his lawnmower, and a 5 hour conversation he had with a lonely physicist, which lead him to "testing" fuel catalysts. He mentioned this forum, so I came here to watch him fail here as well.

As I've said before - there is no evidence to back up the claims of dozens of fuel savings devices. I wish there was. My problem with them is based on my overactive sense of fairness - I don't like seeing people scammed.

Congratulations to the NSW Office of Fair Trading. I assume they are like our Consumer Protection Branch of the Ontario government or Canada’s Office of Consumer Affairs, except now I actually know of something positive done in NSW, while I still couldn't tell you what our own government agencies have accomplished.

Aside: Interestingly, I also follow and argue against a form of mortgage acceleration fraud in Canada and the US - a scheme that started in Australia. These companies were kicked out of Australia. If you google "United First Financial", you'll find hits with my screen names (chansen, Craig Hansen, BartBandy) where I (along with many others) dissect the product and the MLM pyramid that sells it. We've received no thanks from any government agency in Canada or the US. Guess which country had a representative thank me for exposing this scam to others online? Australia.

[rptuckhom Biofuels Forum Newbie Find all posts View Profile Close rptuckhom]

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It seems the people who have personally tried this product support it's claims and the people who have not tried it are still arguing about where to get it tested. Mr Fitch is a very reputable man in the US, personal friends of Jay Leno and very well respected. I wonder how this company could be in business for 15 yrs selling something that doesn't work. Any comments to that?

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It seems the people who have personally tried this product support it's claims and the people who have not tried it are still arguing about where to get it tested. Mr Fitch is a very reputable man in the US, personal friends of Jay Leno and very well respected.

That was funnier than Jay is.

I wonder how this company could be in business for 15 yrs selling something that doesn't work. Any comments to that?

Yeah. If it worked, it would be huge. It only continues to exist off the power of its claims, and people wanting it to work. And the fact that you can keep costs low if all you're doing is stamping out little balls of tin and selling them for hundreds of dollars.

[FITCHFELLA Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FITCHFELLA]

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HI Fellow members,May I suggest to those who doubt what FITCH does talk to BRAD PAXTON of www.healthywealthywater.com.au
Further to this anyone who bags the product without trying is somewhat lacking in intelligence,particularly when the said product has a 90day moneyback guarantee????????????????????Think about it??.

Kindest of regards BILL

[rptuckhom Biofuels Forum Newbie Find all posts View Profile Close rptuckhom]

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Listening to someone who has a Fitch saying it works doesn't change the argument? Are you serious? Why would you listen to someone who doesn't have one? Because he thinks it doesn't work? Scientific principal, buddy, if you make a statement like that one thing is for sure, you're most certainly not a scientist. Please explain to me the scientific principal of why it can't work.
Here's the comment that's really special. Being in business for 15 yrs either means you haven't been put out of business or gone out of business. Well rocket scientist, thanks for clearing that up for everyone, I would have never known that had you not said it. It certainly couldn't have anything to do with selling good products or customer satisfaction! Your statement might make some sense if they were a new company or maybe been in business a year or so, but certainly doesn't make any sense otherwise. However, since your so convinced, can you provide me with let's say maybe 3 other companies that have been in business for 15 years scamming people as you so much like to say. I'll be waiting for that list so go to work on it!

[rptuckhom Biofuels Forum Newbie Find all posts View Profile Close rptuckhom]

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I'm still waiting pal for your list of companies that have been in business for 15 yrs lying and scamming people! Seems you're coming up a little short of that list! Oh by the way, I figured YOU were the scientist since it was YOU who stated there are several scientific principals proving this thing couldn't work. I'm still waiting for both! Please, save your words to me until you do!

[Tony From West Oz Vice Chairperson of WARFA Find all posts View Profile Close Tony From West Oz]

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rptuckhom,
With any scientific or business process, it is the responsibility of the proponent to prove that the device works, not for others to prove it doesn't.

Please either provide the explanations and provide the proof, or leave us in peace. I am fed up with this "He said, She said " BS that is continuing here.


I look forward to your proof, and an explanation of the scientific principles which enable it to work.

No Proof = Goodbye!

Regards,
Tony

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I have now closed this thread.
Should anyone wish to add to it, please PM me with your post and if I feel it is worth adding to the thread, I will post it.
It had better be good though.

Tony

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Just as a final note to this thread, I thought I would post a link to the NSW Office of Fair Trading report:

Unfortunately results of a Fair Trading compliance investigation have revealed that the promises of big savings and great efficiency cannot be justified.

None of the companies were able to substantiate their claims and failed to comply with the Australian Standard

While the other two - Fuelmate and the Fitch Fuel Catalyst - have deleted all unsubstantiated claims from their website and promotional material including promises that these products could ‘save consumers up to 25% better fuel economy’ and ‘from 5-12% fuel savings’.

Full report here

I think that pretty much wraps up this topic!

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Although this thread is now locked, I received this interesting report from a new member (Autosport) by PM:

A current Affair do a story on them every 12 months or so, and during the testing they use the workshop and Dyno of a friend of mine in Wollongong (can provide name if wanted). A Couple of years ago while they were Filming the story, I was at his workshop. After Doing the baseline test on the 80 series Diesel Land cruiser early-ish in the morning, they installed the Fitch device to the car and did some more power runs, there was no difference in power, torque or results or from the gas analyzer.

The Fitch rep made the excuse that it was because the ambient temperature had risen (in under an hour mind you) so they waited all day until late afternoon until the car and ambient temperatures had fallen, the Fitch Rep went and got bags of Ice from the Service station and shoved it around the air cleaner... and still no change.

In the end the pressure was put on the Dyno operator so much that he basically had to jump the car on the Dyno in a dangerous manner in order to get a slightly higher reading.

Pressure came from both Fitch Rep, as he was paying the workshop for the work, as well as the reporter as he didn't want to go back to his bosses with a day reporting a story with no result.

I think this in it self tells the story of Fitch. I could probably get hold of the Dyno sheets from that test if I needed to (although would be difficult as I no longer live in Wollongong and would require searching through many old Dyno files on his Dyno).